List Management

[Pennant St Dee 11,257]

11 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

In what way do you think WCE might have recruited differently?

It is certainly a rule that has restricted the flexibilty of a list and of weekly team selections. 

WCE experience and our current predicament puts a strong case for the AFL to announce rule changes before the trade/draft period. 

Darcy Cameron would have been taken with their second pick

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If we're chasing Sam Reid (Or Tippet), would we then be interested in trading Spencer for another player that fills a need? Does Spencer have much capital? Plenty of teams in need of a ruckmen. I know we're in need of one too, but perhaps another club would be willing to take a punt on him and his injury history? Sam Reid/Pederson then tide the club over until King comes on as backup while hopefully Gawn remains injury free for that period.

Edited May 20, 2017 by DominatrixTyson

[Wiseblood 24,636]

28 minutes ago, DominatrixTyson said:

If we're chasing Sam Reid (Or Tippet), would we then be interested in trading Spencer for another player that fills a need? Does Spencer have much capital? Plenty of teams in need of a ruckmen. I know we're in need of one too, but perhaps another club would be willing to take a punt on him and his injury history? Sam Reid/Pederson then tide the club over until King comes on as backup while hopefully Gawn remains injury free for that period.

Incredibly risky when you consider that King has shown nothing to suggest he has what it takes to play at AFL level.  I'm no Spencer fan, but until there is someone to trade for/draft/develop that is better than him or at least equal to him, then I can't see us trading him.  I just don't think it would be a good move.

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19 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Incredibly risky when you consider that King has shown nothing to suggest he has what it takes to play at AFL level.  I'm no Spencer fan, but until there is someone to trade for/draft/develop that is better than him or at least equal to him, then I can't see us trading him.  I just don't think it would be a good move.

But isn't it risky keeping a list spot dedicated to a player who when finally asked to be called upon, got injured and in my opinion, recklessly with a diving hip shoulder down low into oncoming contact? (Though I don't fault endeavour) - He showed enough promise in those games to have perhaps wet the appetites of other clubs with a desire to 'get the best out of him'

Even if we don't chase after a Reid, Tippett or ruck fwd, might it not be prudent to bring in another ruck as depth instead of Spencer if there's one out there? 

Edited May 20, 2017 by DominatrixTyson

[Demon Disciple 10,935]

what we need is another forward who can pinch hit in the ruck (like a Peter Wright). Gawn is a Ruckman who can pinch hit up forward, so a forward who can go into the ruck would compliment the list nicely.

Watts is making a decent fist of it at the moment, but he is too valuable as an option up forward and we suffer as a result.

[Skuit 9,169]

1 hour ago, DominatrixTyson said:

If we're chasing Sam Reid (Or Tippet), would we then be interested in trading Spencer for another player that fills a need? Does Spencer have much capital? Plenty of teams in need of a ruckmen. I know we're in need of one too, but perhaps another club would be willing to take a punt on him and his injury history? Sam Reid/Pederson then tide the club over until King comes on as backup while hopefully Gawn remains injury free for that period.

As far as I understand, Jake Spencer is an unrestricted free agent.

[Macca 16,173]

All this angst over 1 or 2 extra spots on the list which might be reserved for ruckmen is quite counter-productive.

In any given year, we could name up to a dozen listed players (who are not ruckmen) who are on borrowed time anyway.  Sometimes it's more than a dozen.  In  2012, 2013 and other years we had up to 20 listed non-ruckman types who were on the road to delistment.

Having extra ruckmen on the list is sensible insurance.  They can always be traded on if they're any good so there's trade value at play as well. 

As it stands, how many midfielders and half back flankers do we need?  If we see many of those types as depth players, why not the same thinking for ruckmen?

Edited May 20, 2017 by Macca

[junk 342]

Forget about Tippett,doesn't have too many good days,would cost a lot.Sam Reid may be alright but not at a Melksham price.

[Demon Disciple 10,935]

We should go after Lever this year, then target his best mate 2m Peter, next year.

[spirit of norm smith 12,906]

agree Jake Lever would be our no.1 target. But would come at a price like MFC round 1 draft pick #10 + ANB + swap of 2nd rounders.  

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4 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

agree Jake Lever would be our no.1 target. But would come at a price like MFC round 1 draft pick #10 + ANB + swap of 2nd rounders.  

If that's all it took, you'd do that every day of the week...

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Josh Schache? Admitedly i only watch 1 or 2 bris games a year. But a promising 199cm forward that could pinch hit in ruck at some point ? Could he swing in defence too?

Josh Schache has been granted two weeks leave from Brisbane as he weighs up his football future @SportsdayRadio

https://mobile.twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/867300594523881472

Edited May 24, 2017 by DominatrixTyson

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On 5/21/2017 at 0:46 PM, A F said:

If that's all it took, you'd do that every day of the week...

Agree. Not much speculation involved in getting Lever.

ANB could end up as a handy player and pick 10 has currency so i dont think a deal like that TOO unrealistic.

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30 minutes ago, ding said:

Agree. Not much speculation involved in getting Lever.

ANB could end up as a handy player and pick 10 has currency so i dont think a deal like that TOO unrealistic.

Adelaide would laugh at us if we tried to throw ANB in. He's a C grade youngster best.

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1 hour ago, A F said:

Adelaide would laugh at us if we tried to throw ANB in. He's a C grade youngster best.

ANB plus pick 10(ish) plus an upgrade of their second rounder not good enough?

Lever looks good, but he isnt a ready made star. Its hardly a terrible offer i reckon.

Who do you think we would need to part with?

[Akum 2,660]

On 27 April 2017 at 5:06 PM, DeeSpencer said:

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Unfortunately there's a pretty obvious answer as to where we could've had an extra list spot that isn't getting used and could've seen a ready made 3rd ruck added to the list and that's Lumumba's spot.

 

Surprised this hasn't come up more. I never did understand why the AFL ruled that we weren't allowed to use Lumumba's spot on the list, despite having paid out his contract and him having agreed too. I still can't escape the feeling that if it was one of the AFL-preferred clubs, they wouldn't have dared to not let them use the spot.

We copped it sweet at the time, didn't even ask them to justify it. In hindsight, maybe that was - once again - naive. 

[Pates 9,536]

3 hours ago, Akum said:

Surprised this hasn't come up more. I never did understand why the AFL ruled that we weren't allowed to use Lumumba's spot on the list, despite having paid out his contract and him having agreed too. I still can't escape the feeling that if it was one of the AFL-preferred clubs, they wouldn't have dared to not let them use the spot.

We copped it sweet at the time, didn't even ask them to justify it. In hindsight, maybe that was - once again - naive. 

The settlement came after the list lodgement, nothing we could do about it. At that stage I think it was the (professional) expectation that he would turn up to the first day of training to continue being an AFL football. Obviously that was incorrect. 

What I wasn't impressed about was that the AFL wouldn't let us upgrade a rookie for his then useless spot. Mind you it was a moot point given the injuries we've had this year. 

Edited May 24, 2017 by Pates

[jackaub 1,402]

On 4/26/2017 at 5:20 PM, Skuit said:

We need a forward/ruck.

What about Josh Schache are we chasing with the rest of the mob?

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,876]

2 weeks off to consider his future, what next?

[rjay 23,906]

1 hour ago, jackaub said:

What about Josh Schache are we chasing with the rest of the mob?

I don't know what the hype is all about.

Let someone else take this risk...

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15 hours ago, ding said:

ANB plus pick 10(ish) plus an upgrade of their second rounder not good enough?

Lever looks good, but he isnt a ready made star. Its hardly a terrible offer i reckon.

Who do you think we would need to part with?

I reckon we could get away with pick 10 and an upgrade of picks if we convinced Lever to come.

[Binmans PA 26,052]

7 hours ago, rjay said:

I don't know what the hype is all about.

Let someone else take this risk...

The hype at this stage seems to be more linked to his draft selection, rather than output. 

He's shown no more than Weideman IMO. 

[rjay 23,906]

17 hours ago, DominatrixTyson said:

Josh Schache? Admitedly i only watch 1 or 2 bris games a year. But a promising 199cm forward that could pinch hit in ruck at some point ? Could he swing in defence too?

Joe Danniher....

No chance to get him out of EFC but how much would he be worth on the open market if Schache is going to get anywhere near what's rumoured.

[Demon Disciple 10,935]

8 hours ago, jackaub said:

What about Josh Schache are we chasing with the rest of the mob?

We have bigger problems to deal with first. Like the back-line.

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15 minutes ago, rjay said:

Joe Danniher....

No chance to get him out of EFC but how much would he be worth on the open market if Schache is going to get anywhere near what's rumoured.

Despite Daniher having a question over his kicking, I can't understand some people writing this kid off. I wish we had him, as frustrating as he may be on occasions. He is going to be one of the best forwards in the game. His mobility, combined with his height makes him potentially the next Buddy Franklin. He racks up scoring shots like a young Franklin too.