Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

[Redleg 40,895]

20 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Are you seriously trying to suggest he is worth just a third rounder?  Bloke still has years of footy left and can be a matchwinner on his day.  Consistency issues aside, you could easily get a late first rounder for him.  No way we give him away for that.  I'd rather keep him.

If we are a good team Watts is the icing on the cake. He doesn't need to be the flour or the eggs etc. 

He is the best finisher in the side. We need that. Who would you rather shooting for goal than Watts, in our side.  

I agree on keeping him as we will be better off with him when we are a good side, than having another mid draft pick that may get us another player that can't do what he already can. 

He was not to blame for the last round and people need to look at who was. For starters look at Garletts non efforts, Tysons 6 turnovers in the first quarter, several one arm tackle attempts , Bernies passing, Tom Mac's game etc. 

 

Edited September 24, 2017 by Redleg

[SFebes 4,884]

14 minutes ago, Redleg said:

If we are a good team Watts is the icing on the cake. He doesn't need to be the flour or the eggs etc. 

He is the best finisher in the side. We need that. Who would you rather shooting for goal than Watts, in our side.  

I agree on keeping him as we will be better off with him when we are a good side, than having another mid draft pick that may get us another player that can't do what he already can. 

He was not to blame for the last round and people need to look at who was. For starters look at Garletts non efforts, Tysons 6 turnovers in the first quarter, several one arm tackle attempts , Bernies passing, Tom Mac's game etc. 

 

It's not about round 23, it's about 9 years of mediocrity. We all know he has skills, but in 9 years has delivered basically nothing. I like him, we need him when he's in form, but I'm also sick of his lackadaisical efforts. The issue is, we won't get much for him, but do we rid our club of these kind of individuals to move forward from the Neeld days? I'm 50/50

[Moonshadow 17,676]

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

The super draft discussion is not entirely correct.  There is some top end talent but it drops off after that.  

This years draft has a more even spread of talent just no real stand outs 

 

1 hour ago, Akum said:

Funny how every year it's always next year that's the "superdraft".

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/is-your-future-now-clubs-weigh-up-picks-ahead-of-2018-super-draft-20170606-gwl918.html

"AFL clubs may have to be more cautious about ceding a future first-round pick this year ahead of what shapes as a "super draft" in 2018."

http://aflnation.com.au/2017/08/21/silvagni-brownless-fletcher-west-which-father-sons-will-take-the-2018-draft-by-storm/

"It looks like being a Super Draft next year,” said Wallace on Future Stars on Sunday."

Edited September 24, 2017 by Moonshadow

[old55 23,546]

15 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

 

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/is-your-future-now-clubs-weigh-up-picks-ahead-of-2018-super-draft-20170606-gwl918.html

"AFL clubs may have to be more cautious about ceding a future first-round pick this year ahead of what shapes as a "super draft" in 2018."

http://aflnation.com.au/2017/08/21/silvagni-brownless-fletcher-west-which-father-sons-will-take-the-2018-draft-by-storm/

"It looks like being a Super Draft next year,” said Wallace on Future Stars on Sunday."

What a joke! And I confess I've fallen for it over the years.

Draft quality does vary from year to year but future predictions are fraught.  It's not even clear yet how strong the 2016 draft was let alone the 2018 draft.  It's only now that there's some evidence for assessing the strength of the 2015 draft.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,503]

Draft predictions are never accurate this far out.  I remember people salivating a year early over the 'certain' 1,2,3 of Scully, Lucas and Butcher.

[Dee-licious 1,949]

Not really relevant to the thread but it's headed that was. The King boys, Walsh and Lukosis would all be top 7 this year and they are 16-17. If I was a bottom team I'd want 2 x top 5 picks in 18. This year, I like Raynor I like LDU but the development of the U17 boys next year should blow Raynor out of water 

[grazman 7,432]

1 hour ago, juzzk1d said:

It seems Lever is pretty much a certainty to leave the Adelaide Football Club, but just thinking about after winning a flag with Adelaide would that make him more likely to leave now that he has won a premiership, or less likely?

This question has sparked a bit of divided opinions with my mates. Thoughts? I say more likely.

No change.  He's already made his decision and its unlikely to change based on the weighting of winning or losing a premiership.  He's made a professional decision, based on a number of factors one of which will be increased remuneration over what he's paid at Adelaide.  You aren't a footballer forever and he will make hay whilst the sun is shining.

[Crystal Dees 372]

1 hour ago, SFebey said:

It's not about round 23, it's about 9 years of mediocrity. We all know he has skills, but in 9 years has delivered basically nothing. I like him, we need him when he's in form, but I'm also sick of his lackadaisical efforts. The issue is, we won't get much for him, but do we rid our club of these kind of individuals to move forward from the Neeld days? I'm 50/50

.........you like him?  

And yet I get your point. No player causes so much internal pain, joy and frustration as Jack. He continually challenges our emotions and judgement. I expect when he retires we will be non the wiser of his standing in the rankings of past players. We fear if we trade him his best will haunt us. If we keep him his worst will do the same.

I don't know the answer.

 

[SFebes 4,884]

2 minutes ago, Crystal Dees said:

.........you like him?  

And yet I get your point. No player causes so much internal pain, joy and frustration as Jack. He continually challenges our emotions and judgement. I expect when he retires we will be non the wiser of his standing in the rankings of past players. We fear if we trade him his best will haunt us. If we keep him his worst will do the same.

I don't know the answer.

 

I like him and love him when he is on, however that is very rare hence my/our frustration.

Actually I like, love and hate Jack Watts. Go to hell Jack, you are messing with my head! 

Edited September 24, 2017 by SFebey

[daisycutter 29,613]

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

If we are a good team Watts is the icing on the cake. He doesn't need to be the flour or the eggs etc. 

 

disappointed you couldn't have worked a banana into your analogy, mr leg

[Ethan Tremblay 30,856]

6 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

disappointed you couldn't have worked a banana into your analogy, mr leg

He'd be the cream on the banoffee pie that Redleg is whipping up. 

[Demons11 7,007]

2 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

 

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/is-your-future-now-clubs-weigh-up-picks-ahead-of-2018-super-draft-20170606-gwl918.html

"AFL clubs may have to be more cautious about ceding a future first-round pick this year ahead of what shapes as a "super draft" in 2018."

http://aflnation.com.au/2017/08/21/silvagni-brownless-fletcher-west-which-father-sons-will-take-the-2018-draft-by-storm/

"It looks like being a Super Draft next year,” said Wallace on Future Stars on Sunday."

Well the age newspaper and Terry I think I know more than I do Wallace says it then it must be true. 

My brother is a recruiter for an AFL club and doesn't hold the same supedraft opinion.  As I said there is some really high end talent but it doesn't go deep

Edited September 24, 2017 by Demons11

[Moonshadow 17,676]

53 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Well the age newspaper and Terry I think I know more than I do Wallace says it then it must be true. 

My brother is a recruiter for an AFL club and doesn't hold the same supedraft opinion.  As I said there is some really high end talent but it doesn't go deep

You know more than Terry Wallace and Jon Pierik because you claim your bro is an AFL recruiter?! Lol! Sure, as long as you say so mate

Regardless, I'd like us to keep our 2018 1st round pick to get some of this "really high end talent", arguably the definition of a super draft.

 

[Demons11 7,007]

5 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

You know more than Terry Wallace and Jon Pierik because you claim your bro is an AFL recruiter?! Lol! Sure, as long as you say so mate

Regardless, I'd like us to keep our 2018 1st round pick to get some of this "really high end talent", arguably the definition of a super draft.

 

who do you think picks the players?

i guess Wallace and Pierik would be watching under age football every weekend.  

 No idea some people 

Edited September 24, 2017 by Demons11

[Moonshadow 17,676]

1 minute ago, Demons11 said:

who do you think picks the players?

Not you, lol!

Enough mate, move on

[Redleg 40,895]

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

disappointed you couldn't have worked a banana into your analogy, mr leg

You are right, he doesn't have to be the banana in the banana smoothie, he can be the cinnamon sprinkled on top. 

[Demons11 7,007]

22 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Not you, lol!

Enough mate, move on

I guess next year most AFL clubs will get rid of their recruiters and just subscribe to the Age. 

[Demon Disciple 12,119]

27 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

I guess next year most AFL clubs will get rid of their recruiters and just subscribe to the Age. 

either that or BF.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

3 hours ago, Demons11 said:

Well the age newspaper and Terry I think I know more than I do Wallace says it then it must be true. 

My brother is a recruiter for an AFL club and doesn't hold the same supedraft opinion.  As I said there is some really high end talent but it doesn't go deep

Barry Prendergast?

[Redleg 40,895]

2 hours ago, Demons11 said:

I guess next year most AFL clubs will get rid of their recruiters and just subscribe to the Age. 

It would have been a massive improvement on our previous recruiter. 

[Demons11 7,007]

50 minutes ago, Redleg said:

It would have been a massive improvement on our previous recruiter. 

No doubt about that one 

[Demons11 7,007]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

Barry Prendergast?

Surely that bloke has been banished to Siberia by now 

[beelzebub 23,347]

8 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Surely that bloke has been banished to Siberia by now 

probably still making selections like a broken Jukebox !!  

[binman 42,896]

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Barry Prendergast?

A little birdy told me Barry Prendergast is a regular poster on DL. Thinks Lever is perhaps the greatest footballer ever, thinks Tmac's younger brother isn't up to AFL standard and more than happy for Weids to ply his trade in the maggos until 2019. Yet to pick a smokey though. Oh and doesn't mind the odd condescending post or two hundred. 

[Damo 3,355]

I would like to know if Barry Prendergast barracks for Melbourne or Carlton.