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This whole episode i find amusing

TMac's quote in today's Hun

"It's not about kicking goals and getting touches, it's about doing things for the team and he's been really good about taking that on board"

I think getting touches and kicking goals is what footy is all about and thus this entire episode is one of the biggest media beat ups that we have seen in a long time. Proving there are far too many bog ordinary journalists who work with an AFL dog tag around their neck writing headlines like

"Jack's career on the line"

what a useless disgrace... 

Carry on...

JW will play against Carlscum this week

Edited February 22, 20178 yr by Sir Why You Little

31 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Vogon, I concede that the 'soft' call was a bit OTT but  I won't shy away from the call that in my opinion, the interviews with the 2 leaders in Gawn and Tmac spoke volumes that Watts has got a lot of making up to do. I base that on the evidence that Gawn mentioned the "2 to 3 weeks" of good training several occasions. Hardly vague if you're able to join the dots together.

Anyway, you're hypothesising just as much as anyone else on here so don't get too well settled on your golden pony.

No problems McQueen, I guess my point is we don't know what's gone on so to make any judgement is impossible.

The "good training" my relate to Watts now doing the team things as T Mc suggested and has nothing to do with effort or attitude. Really, in the end, who cares?  He's done the whole preseason, he's fit and he's best 22.  Some gentle realignment form the FD won't hurt.

Anyway this is my last post, something has gone wrong with the PR and sadly it could so easily have been avoided.

1 hour ago, Vogon Poetry said:

No.  The club should have known that Jack not being selected would raise a question when all other "best 22" players were picked.  "A simple throw away line by Goodwin that Tyson, Hibberd and Watts would all likely be right to go next week (he was asked) would have killed this whole issue.  Whatever Jack has done doesn't deserve the storm that has arisen.  All "in house" would know what's going on.  The message to the player and players is the same.  Watts isn't hung out to dry.

They didn't think it through.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't this all arise from certain "sources" claiming there was more to the Watts omission than just player management. If so, the players would've been questioned on it regardless.

I really think this entire thing is a non-issue from top to bottom.

So why am I discussing it?

Good question.

26 minutes ago, P-man said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't this all arise from certain "sources" claiming there was more to the Watts omission than just player management.

Good point, and if this is just a reminder and a refocusing attempt on Watts by the coaches, or even if it is about not meeting a KPI it should remain under the category of player management,?
The subsequent noise has almost made it into a player welfare issue!

2 hours ago, DeeZee said:

This is all over a player missing a practice match right? ?

No, it's all over a senior player entering his ninth season not being considered for a best 29 squad due to unsatisfactory training standards.

A player who has had one good year in eight and seemingly gets pretty happy with himself a little too quickly.  A player that needs to be get dropped occasionally, like round 23 2015 so that he doesn't coast.

Goodwin and McCartney are ensuring he gets the message and understands the brand and standards required at the MFC 2017.

But yes, it's not a major issue.

Lyon had jumped the gun the ox's response has been much more measured and less emotional. 

20 minutes ago, ProDee said:

No, it's all over a senior player entering his ninth season not being considered for a best 29 squad due to unsatisfactory training standards.

A player who has had one good year in eight and seemingly gets pretty happy with himself a little too quickly.  A player that needs to be get dropped occasionally, like round 23 2015 so that he doesn't coast.

Goodwin and McCartney are ensuring he gets the message and understands the brand and standards required at the MFC 2017.

But yes, it's not a major issue.

Interested to see if you hold the same argument for why Jetta wasn't included?

If it was supposed to be the best 22 or 24 from our fit players, why was he excluded from both the team and the subsequent scrutiny?

22 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

Interested to see if you hold the same argument for why Jetta wasn't included?

If it was supposed to be the best 22 or 24 from our fit players, why was he excluded from both the team and the subsequent scrutiny?

Jetta has only recently returned to training with the main squad due to a quad injury.

Obviously they're careful of his loads following this recent stint in rehab.  The linked article from less than two weeks ago identifies this in the last paragraph.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2017-02-10/brayshaw-bounces-back-to-add-to-the-mix

Don't thank me, happy to help.

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

This whole episode i find amusing

TMac's quote in today's Hun

"It's not about kicking goals and getting touches, it's about doing things for the team and he's been really good about taking that on board"

I think getting touches and kicking goals is what footy is all about and thus this entire episode is one of the biggest media beat ups that we have seen in a long time. Proving there are far too many bog ordinary journalists who work with an AFL dog tag around their neck writing headlines like

"Jack's career on the line"

what a useless disgrace... 

Carry on...

JW will play against Carlscum this week

Defending ?

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

No, it's all over a senior player entering his ninth season not being considered for a best 29 squad due to unsatisfactory training standards.

A player who has had one good year in eight and seemingly gets pretty happy with himself a little too quickly.  A player that needs to be get dropped occasionally, like round 23 2015 so that he doesn't coast.

Goodwin and McCartney are ensuring he gets the message and understands the brand and standards required at the MFC 2017.

But yes, it's not a major issue.

But you're making it sound like a major issue.

Give the guy a break, if it was anyone else on our list we would be making excuses or saying it's a non issue.

Hopefully he plays the next 2 practice matches and then has another top 5 in the b&f.

Storm in a tea cup!!

Does anyone seriously think Goodwin cares about Jack's performances year 1 to 8? 

Rhetorical question of course.

I can see Goodwin now... "oh, how on earth are we going to make Jack pay for his poor 2012 because it will effect how he performs in 2017, despite a breakout year in 2016, so he owes us, even though I wasn't here then!"

FMD.

24 minutes ago, Billy said:

But you're making it sound like a major issue.

Give the guy a break, if it was anyone else on our list we would be making excuses or saying it's a non issue.

Hopefully he plays the next 2 practice matches and then has another top 5 in the b&f.

Storm in a tea cup!!

I've said it's not a major issue (as far as I know).

The rest is stating FACT.

1 hour ago, don't make me angry said:

Lyon had jumped the gun the ox's response has been much more measured and less emotional. 

Gaddy Lyon is happy to sensationalise when it suits him! 

58 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Gaddy Lyon is happy to sensationalise when it suits him! 

Agree Picket, people living in glass houses should not throw stones.

 

1 hour ago, loges said:

Defending ?

It was a non story...

Complete fluff

I love Jack.  He's a gun.  Bottom line.  I don't care that he is in a little strife.  Good on him.  

 

 

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   Reckon there's a bit of sting left in Jack Watts story. Expect him to be left out AGAIN. Will be official soon @7NewsMelbourne

Edited February 23, 20178 yr by ProDee

Mark Stevens has tweeted Jack will not be selected this week. 

Then he tweeted: Melb going with theory of picking best side possible ... setting tone early. Reckon Watts will play R1 but battl on now

Hmm...Jack not in our best 22... battle on for round 1...

Its one thing for Goodwin to set the tone early and it is another to hang a player out to dry.  Goodwin must know how the media will have a gorge fest over it and hope he has a plan to support Jack in the background and publicly if the media frenzy eventuates.

How about Jack has hung himself out to dry ?

3 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Mark Stevens has tweeted Jack will not be selected this week. 

Then he tweeted: Melb going with theory of picking best side possible ... setting tone early. Reckon Watts will play R1 but battl on now

Hmm...Jack not in our best 22... battle on for round 1...

Its one thing for Goodwin to set the tone early and it is another to hang a player out to dry.  Goodwin must know how the media will have a gorge fest over it and hope he has a plan to support Jack in the background and publicly if the media frenzy eventuates.

Jesus.. Jack is a 25 year adult. Hasn't been out to hung dry like you claim. Knowing Goodwin who best renown for his relationship skills i have no doubt Goody has had Watts over for dinner and had a personal chat with him saying  we support and are right behind you. Tha would be enough for Jack. 

Lets not forget, Jack brought this upon himself.

I'll be seriously concerned if he also misses the West Coast game.

Surely they'll be doing all they can to have a 38 goal a year forward into the lineup in our crucial round 1 game against St Kilda...surely!

I find it hard to accept that Weideman and VBD are going to get the nod ahead of him because they've trained better in January. One will get about 4 possessions having absolutely no influence and the other will turn the thing over every second time he gets the ball.

Time for the club to be transparent and come clean as to why he's been (effectively) suspended from the first two JLT games. 

 

at least another 20 pages now

Just click on an page in this thread, it's all the same! 

No Watts.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2017-02-23/hibberd-johnstone-to-play-jeffy-injured