1 hour ago, hoopla said:

OK - so he is articulate-

Not so sure about that ... he seems to stumble over his thoughts somewhat. and his judgement is questionable (leaving out the obvious) ... that time he slammed the umps and got a fine for instance.

Garry is the goods. Says in 5 words what Dermott takes 50 to say.

14 hours ago, Pates said:

And seriously Gary, really? You're trying to rebuild your reputation, why would even come near that train wreck?

Media work for ex players is easy money.

 

1 hour ago, hoopla said:

We'll know your well again Gary when you  leave the boy's club behind

Hallelujah to that.

21 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I'd rather have a prostate check

I'd rather have a cognac and some mince pies ... hang on, are we talking about things we like, or things we don't like?

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

i'd rather watch reality tv or visit the dentist

 

1 hour ago, chook fowler said:

I'd rather have a prostate check

I watched "Grumpy old men" too. But Mitchell is a bit of a wag

On 19/11/2016 at 8:38 AM, daisycutter said:

it's only a maybe. let's hope it's a no-way. send sen an email expressing your disgust

Have done so. No reply yet though it is a weekend. 

Absolutely will not watch or listen to any station / channel that pays him. 

Somewhat ironic that a Demon does a Faustian deal with a Devil.

I wont miss anything

Don't have anything to do with it gary. not good therapy recovering from depression

On 19/11/2016 at 1:22 AM, chook fowler said:

He's back with James Tird. I won't be watching.

Do you mean on FC or some other media outlet?  Just can't see Hird on FC to be honest - doesn't fit the 4 person panel format - unless they ditch Hutchy or Lloyd. 

A number of posters have taken your Lyon/Hird media work as fact - wondering if this has this been advertised/written anywhere?  EFC can't even get him back near the club so really wonder if he is going to front up in some media role.

30 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Do you mean on FC or some other media outlet?  Just can't see Hird on FC to be honest - doesn't fit the 4 person panel format - unless they ditch Hutchy or Lloyd. 

A number of posters have taken your Lyon/Hird media work as fact - wondering if this has this been advertised/written anywhere?  EFC can't even get him back near the club so really wonder if he is going to front up in some media role.

sen, i believe

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

sen, i believe

Thanks dc. I thought the reference to 'not watching' was to do TV together.

Did some googling and found this: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/james-hird-and-garry-lyon-in-talks-to-team-up-with-sen-radio-gig/news-story/79d88ec23bdf948341206dce1b23ae7d 

I felt physically ill reading it.  I'm with you dc: Garry, don't do it! 

If Hird joins SEN they had better keep him away from Tim Watson!

Edited November 20, 20168 yr by Lucifer's Hero

45 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Thanks dc. I thought the reference to 'not watching' was to do TV together.

Did some googling and found this: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/james-hird-and-garry-lyon-in-talks-to-team-up-with-sen-radio-gig/news-story/79d88ec23bdf948341206dce1b23ae7d 

I felt physically ill reading it.  I'm with you dc: Garry, don't do it! 

If Hird joins SEN they had better keep him away from Tim Watson!

well at the moment it is either the media making it up or someone is flying a flag to sniff which way the breeze is blowing

10 hours ago, daisycutter said:

well at the moment it is either the media making it up or someone is flying a flag to sniff which way the breeze is blowing

From Werribee.

16 minutes ago, ManDee said:

From Werribee.

let's hope sen management and gary agree with you, md

I can confirm that James Hird will not be involved with SEN, either in the Morning show with Garry, or calling on a Friday night. Just an FYI.

 

And also, people having a crack at Garry's "Mental Health" issues should just have a think about it.. keep the thoughts to yourself, feel free to lambast him for decisions made in the past, but i think its in very poor taste to question someones illness. Thats all.

1 hour ago, Demon3 said:

I can confirm that James Hird will not be involved with SEN, either in the Morning show with Garry, or calling on a Friday night. Just an FYI.

 

And also, people having a crack at Garry's "Mental Health" issues should just have a think about it.. keep the thoughts to yourself, feel free to lambast him for decisions made in the past, but i think its in very poor taste to question someones illness. Thats all.

Agree, that it is wrong to have a crack at Lyons mental health issues.    I loved him as a player and captain of our club.  However, as time has gone on, I have lost respect for him as a media person. Perhaps that is because of his past association with the footy show and his boys club attitude. Although, he always wrote an interesting article in The Age.  However, he has made some very poor and selfish decisions and behaved in a way that has hurt a lot of people.  The damage has been done.  He may recover and get back to his million dollar media show but there are many people who will have to live with the damage and hurt of his actions.  In my eyes, he has been diminished as a person.

7 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Agree, that it is wrong to have a crack at Lyons mental health issues.    I loved him as a player and captain of our club.  However, as time has gone on, I have lost respect for him as a media person. Perhaps that is because of his past association with the footy show and his boys club attitude. Although, he always wrote an interesting article in The Age.  However, he has made some very poor and selfish decisions and behaved in a way that has hurt a lot of people.  The damage has been done.  He may recover and get back to his million dollar media show but there are many people who will have to live with the damage and hurt of his actions.  In my eyes, he has been diminished as a person.

'Hemingway', most of us have made poor decisions in life. Just not in the public limelight.

Some decisions hurt others, some are irresponsible and often selfish. In Gary's case the story we got was that he had an affair with Billy's ex wife...

I would think Gary's wife and family would have felt hard done by and betrayed if they were still together (I don't know these circumstances). Whether or not they were Billy took the moral high ground, seeming to claim some kind of ownership of his ex wife which is more of the boys club attitude to my mind.

As some on here will know, I'm not a Gary fan at all but I don't think what he did was a hanging offence.

Just another situation that shows footballers for all their ability on the field are just normal people off it.

 

1 hour ago, hemingway said:

Agree, that it is wrong to have a crack at Lyons mental health issues.    I loved him as a player and captain of our club.  However, as time has gone on, I have lost respect for him as a media person. Perhaps that is because of his past association with the footy show and his boys club attitude. Although, he always wrote an interesting article in The Age.  However, he has made some very poor and selfish decisions and behaved in a way that has hurt a lot of people.  The damage has been done.  He may recover and get back to his million dollar media show but there are many people who will have to live with the damage and hurt of his actions.  In my eyes, he has been diminished as a person.

I think if you don't know the full story, then its a bit rich to take the moral high ground. The problem is to many people think what happened with the Billy thing was a criminal offence, when in actual fact it was just a personal issue that was played out publicly. But we all have the right to judge i guess, just lets keep the battles with mental health out of it, its very real and it has been ongoing for a while.  

14 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

I think if you don't know the full story, then its a bit rich to take the moral high ground. The problem is to many people think what happened with the Billy thing was a criminal offence, when in actual fact it was just a personal issue that was played out publicly. But we all have the right to judge i guess, just lets keep the battles with mental health out of it, its very real and it has been ongoing for a while.  

Agree on all of the above. Though whilst people can judge i guess i'm not sure it's a right and besides so. In fact i'm in the no right to judge camp!

The affair is a personal issue that is nobody business but those involved in my book. As for his mental health issues i wish him all the best.

14 hours ago, rjay said:

'Hemingway', most of us have made poor decisions in life. Just not in the public limelight.

Some decisions hurt others, some are irresponsible and often selfish. In Gary's case the story we got was that he had an affair with Billy's ex wife...

I would think Gary's wife and family would have felt hard done by and betrayed if they were still together (I don't know these circumstances). Whether or not they were Billy took the moral high ground, seeming to claim some kind of ownership of his ex wife which is more of the boys club attitude to my mind.

As some on here will know, I'm not a Gary fan at all but I don't think what he did was a hanging offence.

Just another situation that shows footballers for all their ability on the field are just normal people off it.

There was that comment that's I'm sure he regretted where he said you don't take a mates wallet and you don't take a mates ex-misses, or something of that degree. I think that spoke to a very old school mentality as you say of ownership, but I think that was Billy being Billy the bogan. His point of betrayal was fair and from what was said in the media he asked them about it and they chose to lie to him. I'm not going to go much further on that point, but I will say that Gary was treated and lambasted as if he committed a crime. 

What he did was morally wrong, that took two to tango I should add, but nothing more. In terms of his reported illness and everything that came with it, I hope he's moved past the worst of it and he can start rebuilding his life brick by brick.

1 hour ago, Pates said:

There was that comment that's I'm sure he regretted where he said you don't take a mates wallet and you don't take a mates ex-misses, or something of that degree. I think that spoke to a very old school mentality as you say of ownership, but I think that was Billy being Billy the bogan. His point of betrayal was fair and from what was said in the media he asked them about it and they chose to lie to him. I'm not going to go much further on that point, but I will say that Gary was treated and lambasted as if he committed a crime. 

What he did was morally wrong, that took two to tango I should add, but nothing more. In terms of his reported illness and everything that came with it, I hope he's moved past the worst of it and he can start rebuilding his life brick by brick.

I don't know nor care to know what the situation was for them so I shall generalise the discussion here.

I understand 'morally wrong' refers to the 'don't mess with the missus' code.  And for some it is particularly strong and extend it to ex wives/ex partners.  But when two people are separated, living apart from their ex spouses/partners and are consenting adults, how they lead their lives is a private matter.

As a woman, I wouldn't want my separated from for several years ex husband, having some intrinsic right to know who I was dating.  I may or may not choose to disclose it but as to an intrinsic right for him to know or to get an explanation, well in my book, it does not override my right to privacy.  Understandably, he can be sad, angry, disappointed or upset but to think I was morally wrong to date a mutual best friend would not sit well with me. 

I'm not wanting to stir up a hornet's nest, and relationships are delicate situations but just wanted to put a female's perspective on the privacy of consenting adults.   

 

Edited November 24, 20168 yr by Lucifer's Hero

I loved him as a player. Favourite player in fact, well other than Robbie of course.

But I've come across him at close quarters on a number of occasions since then. Not a great bloke. 

Having said that, I hope he recovers from his mental issues. 

7 minutes ago, bingers said:

I loved him as a player. Favourite player in fact, well other than Robbie of course.

But I've come across him at close quarters on a number of occasions since then. Not a great bloke. 

Having said that, I hope he recovers from his mental issues. 

Goes to show....You should never meet you heros.......You will be disappointed, as most are different from what you expect.

16 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I don't know nor care to know what the situation was for them so I shall generalise the discussion here.

I understand 'morally wrong' refers to the 'don't mess with the missus' code.  And for some it is particularly strong and extend it to ex wives/ex partners.  But when two people are separated, living apart from their ex spouses/partners and are consenting adults, how they lead their lives is a private matter.

As a woman, I wouldn't want my separated from for several years ex husband, having some intrinsic right to know who I was dating.  I may or may not choose to disclose it but as to an intrinsic right for him to know or to get an explanation, well in my book, it does not override my right to privacy.  Understandably, he can be sad, angry, disappointed or upset but to think I was morally wrong to date a mutual best friend would not sit well with me. 

I'm not wanting to stir up a hornet's nest, and relationships are delicate situations but just wanted to put a female's perspective on the privacy of consenting adults.   

That's very fair, and as I said it was two consenting (and recently separated) adults who I think the betrayal centres around the fact that between the 4 of them they were all good friends. 

Honesty from the start might well have spared this turning into as much of a circus as it did. It was disgraceful that random completely false rumours dragged Billy's daughter into it. 

So Lyon is back on SEN in the breakfast slot (Starting Jan 30) with Tim Watson & Hamish McLaughlan.

Personally not a fan of any of these guys...but it looks like the cheque book is out at SEN.

Apparently Dame Nellie Sheehan is a weekly guest.

2 minutes ago, rjay said:

So Lyon is back on SEN in the breakfast slot (Starting Jan 30) with Tim Watson & Hamish McLaughlan.

Personally not a fan of any of these guys...but it looks like the cheque book is out at SEN.

Apparently Dame Nellie Sheehan is a weekly guest.

Do we know what has happened to the Ox ? he was doing breakfast this year.

Care factor?..........