On 24/10/2016 at 01:58, The Reverend said:

What an amazing opportunity, if the AFL squibs on this, for every living Brownlow meadalist to stand up and hand back their medals. Someone has to teach the AFL about integrity. If Watson keeps his medal, the Brownlow is forever tarnished and discredited. I can't believe it would come to this but what a remarkable slap in the face it would be to the AFL!

They are shameless. Would they even notice?

 

 

 

Now if a sponsor said they're disgusted and are pulling their dollars .........

  On 24/10/2016 at 00:43, ManDee said:

Because he was not banned during the season does he keep his medals? Come on Gil it is not a trick question, does he keep his medals?

"Before I answer, let me review the Dogs TV ratings and gate revenues."

  On 24/10/2016 at 02:55, beelzebub said:

would be poignant and catalytic should even one Brownlow winner take this stance and call the AFL to task. I would hope at least one might.

Judd would be the most likely I would think

I'm not a fan of the way the AFL do business but would be more than very surprised if Jobe gets to keep his Brownlow.

I just think it's Dill 'the likeable' and Mike 'leave the room' hoping that he will absolve them of responsibility and hand it back.

they will probably wait till the turn of the century to make a decision and hope everyone will have forgotten

  On 24/10/2016 at 00:43, ManDee said:

So Gil, let's imagine Caleb Daniels grows 30cm this year and muscles up to weigh 101kg and next season becomes the best CHF the game has seen kicking 152 goals. He goes on to win the Brownlow and Coleman medals, years down the track after he explodes on dancing with the stars, his biological passport is retested to find he has been using NASA-9064, a synthetic not approved for human use rocket fuel.

Because he was not banned during the season does he keep his medals? Come on Gil it is not a trick question, does he keep his medals?

This is so blindingly obvious that the AFL is sure to stuff it up.

  On 24/10/2016 at 02:58, Ted Fidge said:

They are shameless. Would they even notice?

 

 

 

Now if a sponsor said they're disgusted and are pulling their dollars .........

A boycott of next year's awards by players might make them take notice. If I was a Brownlow medalist I would not want to be in the same room as Jobe Watson nor have anything to do with supporting the AFL at their gala event. I really don't understand how these people can't see that their actions are akin to defecating on the memory of Chas Brownlow. Even having to take this much time over something so clear cut is beyond me.

Perhaps James Hird could lead the way on this...

  On 24/10/2016 at 05:43, The Reverend said:

A boycott of next year's awards by players might make them take notice. If I was a Brownlow medalist I would not want to be in the same room as Jobe Watson nor have anything to do with supporting the AFL at their gala event. I really don't understand how these people can't see that their actions are akin to defecating on the memory of Chas Brownlow. Even having to take this much time over something so clear cut is beyond me.

Perhaps James Hird could lead the way on this...

The "memory of Chas Brownlow"? Who knows anything about him? 

  On 24/10/2016 at 05:50, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

The "memory of Chas Brownlow"? Who knows anything about him? 

He was important enough to have had the medal named in his honour. Just because his story is not widely known does not mean his memory should be denigrated.

Besides, he had a killer mustache. 

http://australianfootball.com/players/player/charles%2Bbrownlow/17657

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chas_Brownlow

 

  On 24/10/2016 at 03:54, rjay said:

I'm not a fan of the way the AFL do business but would be more than very surprised if Jobe gets to keep his Brownlow.

I just think it's Dill 'the likeable' and Mike 'leave the room' hoping that he will absolve them of responsibility and hand it back.

If the AFL decides to remove the medal, they will advise Jobe in advance, so he is very likely to then beat them to it and 'voluntarily' hand it back.

Edited October 24, 20168 yr by sue

I'm not sure why the Brownlow question is even being asked. In any sport, if you're found guilty of a doping infringement, you lose all victories, awards and prize money for the period when you were found to be doping. 

Is there a deadline to this decision, or is that a fanciful real-world expectation? 

The fact that Jobe hasn't handed this in already is an indictment on whatever remnants of integrity the bloke had.

Watson imho has no integrity at all. Should he hand it back it most likely will be as a result of the AFL giving him a heads up ( as is their style) and saving himself further embarassment.

Apples dont fall far from trees.

It is regrettable that this is another fallout from this debacle.

while the decision may be difficult for Jobe to undertake with the rabid protestation of his dad it is nonetheless the only thing he can do. Jobe did do homself some credit in acknowledging early in the piece that he had taken some indetermined supplements so he may be convinced to make the connection.

Not hopeful though.

  On 24/10/2016 at 06:22, sue said:

If the AFL decides to remove the medal, they will advise Jobe in advance, so he is very likely to then beat them to it and 'voluntarily' hand it back.

And then watch the sycophantic media after that!

Pope Francis will put him up for Sainthood...

  On 24/10/2016 at 22:00, dpositive said:

It is regrettable that this is another fallout from this debacle.

while the decision may be difficult for Jobe to undertake with the rabid protestation of his dad it is nonetheless the only thing he can do. Jobe did do homself some credit in acknowledging early in the piece that he had taken some indetermined supplements so he may be convinced to make the connection.

Not hopeful though.

what....cant add 2 and 2 by now

a person with honour would already have handed it back and humbly apologised !!!

if cleared , could have it back.

hasnt occured therefore....

  On 24/10/2016 at 23:30, beelzebub said:

what....cant add 2 and 2 by now

a person with honour would already have handed it back and humbly apologised !!!

if cleared , could have it back.

hasnt occured therefore....

I can understand this in theory. But handing it back before all legal avenues have been finalised could be perceived as an admission of guilt, irrespective of what words he uses as part of any such process.  

  On 25/10/2016 at 00:03, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I can understand this in theory. But handing it back before all legal avenues have been finalised could be perceived as an admission of guilt, irrespective of what words he uses as part of any such process.  

He should...SHOULD view it as whilst under investigation, even when THE judgement was given as an appropriate time to offer it back (without prejudice or admissions ) pending final outcome.

But, hey hes just another druggie in Sport with no scruples.

I reckon Jobe was given a nod and a wink by the AFL early on in the saga that the Charlie was not at risk. That they'd pull strings, get the players off, voila, Charlie is a non issue.

Now, the delay is all about how they reconcile that with the players going down and all avenues of appeal exhausted.

Imagine if a p!ssed off Jobe went public...

Watson is going to get booed just as much as when he was last on the field.  The hawks fans will let him hear it in round 1.

Its going to be beautiful and I hope he cries again.

It's hilarious that they play Hawthorn in round one. Could you possibly ask for a less timid, vocal and arrogant opposition crowd to "celebrate" the return of your guilty, convicted drug cheats against? They will be booing in full force.

Let's not forget the Sam Mitchell incident, and the fact your drug cheating captain cost him a Brownlow! It will be ten times worse if he isn't stripped of it!

If Jab does somehow keep his filthy stained brownlow he will be hammered relentlessly until his career is over. 

Could be most entertaining

  On 24/10/2016 at 22:28, jnrmac said:

And then watch the sycophantic media after that!

Pope Francis will put him up for Sainthood...

As i understand it, there is no such thing as a Double Sainthood. Or Super Sainthood if you like.

Makes you wonder if Essendon won the flag in 2012 would Gil and the AFL have taken the flag off them

you'd hope that and the brownlow would be no brainers.