So if they were only injected with saline why did they tick the 'no' box when tested for drugs and asked if they had been administered any substances? 

8 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Patrick Smith was once a feared fast bowler for Prahran! 

Now a feared Journo who has just aced the JACK!

 

4 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

So if they were only injected with saline why did they tick the 'no' box when tested for drugs and asked if they had been administered any substances? 

Submitted in comments to The Australia after Smith's article, though not sure if they will censor it out.

Patrick. One factual error, as I understand. 

You say "Hird, by his lack of watchful eye, forced Jobe Watson, the son of former champion Tim Watson, to hand back his 2012 Brownlow Medal.". 

By all accounts, Jobe may have relinquished the title, but surprisingly for such a prestigious ornament, reports have it that he claims he does not know where it is, so technically he has not "handed it back", suggesting dare I say some sort of secret back room deal by the AFL to not push the issue. A symbolic handing back only. 

Now I realize the suggestion that the AFL would ever indulge in any type whatsoever of back room deals must come as a total shock to anyone following AFL, but that, to me, is at least the appearance.

 

AND

 

Sorry, but AFL ASADA and WADA rules, signed off by the AFL and by those joining the prestigious ranks of AFL players, stipulate personal responsibility for all ingested or injected substances.

Further the players (allegedly) signed in their ASADA declarations that they had not been injected with any unspecied substances. 

Nürenberg dispelled the defense "I was only obeying orders". The players were responsible, and signed false declarations. The club, and the "medical staff" by not keeping accurate records of what was given, when, and how much, violated all moral principles governing human experimentation as decreed in the Helsinki Declaration on a Human Experimentation. Worth a full read - easily found in full via Google .

Edited January 16, 20178 yr by monoccular

1 minute ago, monoccular said:

 

Submitted in comments to The Australia after Smith's article, though not sure if they will censor it out.

Patrick. One factual error, as I understand. 

You say "Hird, by his lack of watchful eye, forced Jobe Watson, the son of former champion Tim Watson, to hand back his 2012 Brownlow Medal.". 

By all accounts, Jobe may have relinquished the title, but surprisingly for such a prestigious ornament, reports have it that he claims he does not know where it is, so technically he has not "handed it back", suggesting dare I say some sort of secret back room deal by the AFL to not push the issue. A symbolic handing back only. 

Now I realize the suggestion that the AFL would ever indulge in any type whatsoever of back room deals must come as a total shock to anyone following AFL, but that, to me, is at least the appearance.

maybe the  missing brownlow medal case can be re-opened as a cold-case under some future afl regime? 

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

maybe the  missing brownlow medal case can be re-opened as a cold-case under some future afl regime? 

No doubt if the situation were to arise whereby it would help the AFL to cement some other backroom deal. 

Wouldn't take much more imagination for Brownlow Medals to never ever mean as much as what they used to......

1 hour ago, willmoy said:

Wouldn't take much more imagination for Brownlow Medals to never ever mean as much as what they used to......

Well when a winner is found to have drug cheated and then "returns it" but actually keeps it and the governing body doesnt care id say it has no value

7 hours ago, biggestred said:

Well when a winner is found to have drug cheated and then "returns it" but actually keeps it and the governing body doesnt care id say it has no value

Alchemy ... Turning base metals into Gold

AlFLemy ... Turning anything of value into mould

7 hours ago, biggestred said:

Well when a winner is found to have drug cheated and then "returns it" but actually keeps it and the governing body doesnt care id say it has no value

Just remember who votes for the Brownlow and you'll have some idea of its worth.

 

I am sure the medals notoriety will give it a considerable monetary value after it is found inside one of Jobe's old boots when he is about 65. A handy addition to his super. Might even be worth more than a legit one. 

15 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

Tania just preferred to bask in the reflected glory of being married to an AFL golden boy than a drug cheat.
Tried to do whatever it took to maintain the former.

Of course, there is an alternative. Maybe she loves and supports her husband. 

1 hour ago, america de cali said:

I am sure the medals notoriety will give it a considerable monetary value after it is found inside one of Jobe's old boots when he is about 65. A handy addition to his super. Might even be worth more than a legit one. 

Worth nothing as would/should be returned to AFL 

21 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Of course, there is an alternative. Maybe she loves and supports her husband. 

Ex.

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Of course, there is an alternative. Maybe she loves and supports her husband. 

If the rumours are true it seems being married to the AFL golden boy was preferable to being married to a drug cheat.

Edited January 16, 20178 yr by Fork 'em

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Of course, there is an alternative. Maybe she loves and supports her husband. 

 Vom Voms.

4 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Alchemy ... Turning base metals into Gold

AlFLemy ... Turning anything of value into mould

The Brownlow converted to the Downlow on Gil's watch will be one of his legacy achievements. 

15 hours ago, monoccular said:

 

 

 

so•ci•o•path

 (ˈsoʊ si əˌpæθ, ˈsoʊ ʃi-) 

n. 

a person, as a psychopath, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.

 

 

Whilst I cannot speak for him, I very much doubt that adc is equating Essendonism with National Socialism aka Naziism, but the use and repetition of the big lie is a point in common with Herr Geobells and with many sociopathic narcissists, those at Essendon, and AFLHQ included.   It is also very common in Canberra, which interestingly is where the Golden Boy heralded from, if I recall correctly. 

And perhaps that is a more appropriate analogy.  Clearly, there a many more on here, that have far greater and informed insight to this issue, than anyone else who is involved in the football world professionally or has more than a passing interest, like me.

We should bring back stoning I reckon.

 

Jobe lamenting the loss of his medal for going down to St James Infirmary for his jabs.

 

Edited January 17, 20178 yr by america de cali

On 16/01/2017 at 11:23 AM, biggestred said:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/patrick-smith/james-hird-has-plotted-his-own-tragic-course/news-story/52b8eee1cdb4885b25381990e78b7283

Aaaand its a truth bomb

It looks like a lot of people took Smith to task over that article http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/patrick-smith/column-did-not-trivialise-mental-health-merely-corrected-mistruths/news-story/8bf3e8994292acd11efdb6f3260d85bc

A few more truths from Smith:

• Between Hird’s hospitalisation and (Smith's) Monday’s column, history was rewritten.
• No one seemed to think this regurgitation of Hird’s fall from grace and good health was inappropriate or could be a hindrance to his recovery.
• Hird was not bullied but given poor advice and made misjudgments of his own. That is why he is under expert treatment, his life spiralling down a dark hole of his and others’ making.
• This column again expresses its great concern for Hird and his family. Just as it repeatedly did last Monday.

While I agree with the truths, Smith's lack of empathy and compassion is a disappointing position by a senior journalist eg 'This column expresses its great concern..."  as the only words of support are rather feeble for Hird or others in a similar situation, even one of their own making.

47 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

It looks like a lot of people took Smith to task over that article http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/patrick-smith/column-did-not-trivialise-mental-health-merely-corrected-mistruths/news-story/8bf3e8994292acd11efdb6f3260d85bc

A few more truths from Smith:

• Between Hird’s hospitalisation and (Smith's) Monday’s column, history was rewritten.
• No one seemed to think this regurgitation of Hird’s fall from grace and good health was inappropriate or could be a hindrance to his recovery.
• Hird was not bullied but given poor advice and made misjudgments of his own. That is why he is under expert treatment, his life spiralling down a dark hole of his and others’ making.
• This column again expresses its great concern for Hird and his family. Just as it repeatedly did last Monday.

While I agree with the truths, Smith's lack of empathy and compassion is a disappointing position by a senior journalist eg 'This column expresses its great concern..."  as the only words of support are rather feeble for Hird or others in a similar situation, even one of their own making.

If any bullying occurred it was from Team Hird. He was threatening to sue left right and centre aside from the legal challenges he undertook. There were vicious attacks from his wife and media supporters and timed leaks to embarrass ASADA, the AFL and others. He also made vicious attacks against Demetriou who rightly or wrongly may have been trying to help Essendon from the beginning. And he admitted he took enducements throughout the whole process. Some would say this is akin to a form of blackmail. If I was on the other side of Team Hird during this ugly saga I would have been very nervous and intimidated by all his attacks. Remember the vicious attacks on ASADA chief then Ms Andruska. 

Edited January 17, 20178 yr by america de cali

Patrick Smith is a first class PITA on most issues. Pompous and prissy all at the same time. But his assessment of the sad Hird saga is spot on.

Hird offered to take full responsibility and then sought to evade any responsibility. Says a lot about character. He sought and received the most awful legal and PR advice that sank him further into the mire. Self destruction and self delusion at its saddest.

No one deserves to lose his will to live but there are others in this saga who are more deserving of our sympathy.

Golly...Someone had the audacity to call a spade a spade !! why I never....lol

A lot of the people having a go at Smith are the same incredulous hypocritical lot that deliver crud instead of balanced journalism. God forbid that anyone would call into question their voracity as well as clarity on the issue !!

Why  exactly should anyone require sympathy for Hird ?? I dont  ( his kids yes ) JAH ?  Not a bit

33 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Why  exactly should anyone require sympathy for Hird ?? I dont  ( his kids yes ) JAH ?  Not a bit

You know the media has an agenda when they start telling you who and why you should feel sympathy for someone.

I reserve my sympathy for people I feel deserve it. James Hird is most definitely not such an individual.

1 hour ago, america de cali said:

If any bullying occurred it was from Team Hird. He was threatening to sue left right and centre aside from the legal challenges he undertook. There were vicious attacks from his wife and media supporters and timed leaks to embarrass ASADA, the AFL and others. He also made vicious attacks against Demetriou who rightly or wrongly may have been trying to help Essendon from the beginning. And he admitted he took enducements throughout the whole process. Some would say this is akin to a form of blackmail. If I was on the other side of Team Hird during this ugly saga I would have been very nervous and intimidated by all his attacks. Remember the vicious attacks on ASADA chief then Ms Andruska. 

And ask an essendon supporter what they think of caro!

Smithers is on the money in that the only path to anything like redemption lies in brutal open honesty and  actually taking responsibility. 

Something no one at essendon has yet done in any way shape or form.

1 hour ago, america de cali said:

If any bullying occurred it was from Team Hird. He was threatening to sue left right and centre aside from the legal challenges he undertook. There were vicious attacks from his wife and media supporters and timed leaks to embarrass ASADA, the AFL and others. He also made vicious attacks against Demetriou who rightly or wrongly may have been trying to help Essendon from the beginning. And he admitted he took enducements throughout the whole process. Some would say this is akin to a form of blackmail. If I was on the other side of Team Hird during this ugly saga I would have been very nervous and intimidated by all his attacks. Remember the vicious attacks on ASADA chief then Ms Andruska. 

 

Spot on, agree with every word.

 

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

While I agree with the truths, Smith's lack of empathy and compassion is a disappointing position by a senior journalist eg 'This column expresses its great concern..."  as the only words of support are rather feeble for Hird or others in a similar situation, even one of their own making.

LH, Patrick Smith is the only person in the media who corrected the mistruths or spin which have been put out by, Amendola, Hird Snr, Corcoran, Pickering and Warner. That was the point of his article. He would not have written this article at all were it not for what seems like a concerted effort to re-write events, by these Hird supporters.

As for your bolded statement, I would really love to know what more you would have wanted Smith to say regarding his condition and what is the difference that it would make anyway? In my eyes he made the necessary PC statement of concern, what more is needed?

I would assume that James Hird will get plenty of support from his family and friends and the best treatment money can buy. There is no need for anyone to express concern that is not genuinely felt. Neither his condition nor his recovery is dependent on a few more sympathetic words any of us might utter. 

"Media give us some peace"

family and supporters go into the media and do interviews *silence/agreement*

one person reminds everyone of the truth "media scum whyd you say anything youre filth" cant believe it anything for a story

 

Fucjwits everywhere