Lots of speculation. None of us know the real story.

But whatever is going on, would be good for all concerned to find a resolution sooner rather than later.

11 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Come on --  all too little too late.

Surely most at the club would completely be over him.

 

as a bloke , a clubman, would you really want to play with him ?  serious question

I wouldn't.  he may well have issues and more power to the fella to address them , but as a player to another....nuh !!

Has he gone yet?

11 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Lots of speculation. None of us know the real story.

But whatever is going on, would be good for all concerned to find a resolution sooner rather than later.

I would not hold your breath bing . 

You have one side that is playing the long game so they do not cost the club one cent more than necessary and the other is taking no advice from anyone. He has no agent and is not talking to the players union.

That is a receipt for a long journey IMO.

He is highly unlikely to get a senior match,he should retire.

17 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Lots of speculation. None of us know the real story.

But whatever is going on, would be good for all concerned to find a resolution sooner rather than later.

That's true we do't Bing.  I would further put it does it really matter ?  i.e  in the great scheme of things that is.

Nobody wants to see anyone ill treated or 'un-loved"  but quite frankly the club needn't put up with shlt either.

Is there a world shatteringly valid reason for his non attendance ? Or is he being the king of aloof ?  sorry , my bad....he's a prince 

 

Save the need to be at The Hague to address his ilk in the correlations between the loss of his beloved idol and the demise of the Leaping Lesbian Lizard  I do wonder if he isnt just a bit full of himself !!

30 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

That's true we do't Bing.  I would further put it does it really matter ?  i.e  in the great scheme of things that is.

Nobody wants to see anyone ill treated or 'un-loved"  but quite frankly the club needn't put up with shlt either.

Is there a world shatteringly valid reason for his non attendance ? Or is he being the king of aloof ?  sorry , my bad....he's a prince 

 

Save the need to be at The Hague to address his ilk in the correlations between the loss of his beloved idol and the demise of the Leaping Lesbian Lizard  I do wonder if he isnt just a bit full of himself !!

You wonder bb?

Just now, old dee said:

You wonder bb?

not really OD...just humouring some !! 

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

not really OD...just humouring some !! 

Did we get Clark wrong?

We will not be wrong with this guy.

1 minute ago, old dee said:

Did we get Clark wrong?

We will not be wrong with this guy.

I sense we've learnt 

They should make tomorrow's training  session compulsory , even if your injured or not you have to turn up to show support to the boys and start the preseason united.

Bet the Prince still wouldn't show.

Would have thought ALL training was compulsory lest you had a note !! 

2 hours ago, ENYAW said:

He is highly unlikely to get a senior match,he should retire.

I would imagine that is what is being discussed, his "retirement" and subsequent parting salary agreement. I have no idea how they work it out as the professional sporting world, as many have pointed out, works a completely different way to the regular world with contract pay outs. 

Melbourne just needs to work through this in the most professional manner, but at the same time not giving him any more than what they feel he deserves after his frankly unprofessional conduct. That he hasn't even shown up for any pre-season commitments shows he's punched his card, but surely that should be something both club and player work out together. 

4 hours ago, old dee said:

It would appear he is not mentally fit to take the field.

 

2 hours ago, faultydet said:

He may never have been mentally fit to take the field.

How the hell would any of us know for sure?

 

Some would say that nobody who was mentally fit would take the field 

Harry is obviously chasing the $ not the job, so even if we let him go he is bound to be engaging some ambulance chasing lawyers to sue because of the mental anguish he suffered from all of his concussions with the demons have left him unable to work, or even train. 

So lets assume that he goes either willingly or not so willingly, what are our options to replace him, would we be able to draft another rookie, or would we be limited to promoting one of our existing rookies.

40 minutes ago, Deecisive said:

Harry is obviously chasing the $ not the job, so even if we let him go he is bound to be engaging some ambulance chasing lawyers to sue because of the mental anguish he suffered from all of his concussions with the demons have left him unable to work, or even train. 

So lets assume that he goes either willingly or not so willingly, what are our options to replace him, would we be able to draft another rookie, or would we be limited to promoting one of our existing rookies.

Nah the list is the list, we can't replace him but much like we did with Milkshake we can upgrade a rookie as "retired" essentially works the same way as long term injury list. 

My thoughts would be Tim Smith as he's body hardened. Regardless of what happens he won't be playing for us again so we'all be upgrading one of our rookies. 

3 hours ago, DeeZee said:

They should make tomorrow's training  session compulsory , even if your injured or not you have to turn up to show support to the boys and start the preseason united.

Bet the Prince still wouldn't show.

If he is 'not fit to physically train', then you would assume that he would be obligated to be put on some kind of light duties with the rehab group.  If he is not playing ball by the club Re training and or rehab and assuming he is not going through the proper conflict resolution pathway without a manager or the AFLPA assistance, then the club probably has some kind of legal comeback for breach of contract etc.

Playing the breach of contract card may not be the best PR outcome, but it may be a decent bargaining chip to ensure that the club doesn't get screwed over by some compensation claim.  Overall, assuming the situation is as reported and Lumumba doesn't play 2017, then it's really just damage minimisation for the club, as we have already effectively lost a list spot for 2017.

I find it all a bit of a shame really as my impression was that Lumumba was starting to play some good footy again early 2016 and from the outside appeared to be a decent (be it different) kind of bloke around the club.  Guessing that when faced with the prospect of immanent retirement and loss of substantial income, Lumumba is just acting out of self interest and trying to ensure his immediate financial security, which would be partly understandable, but somewhat regrettable from the clubs and typical supporters perspective.

Edited November 29, 20168 yr by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

Just read this on the AFL's site which may have some parallels to the Lumumba situation:

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-28/the-draftee-who-wont-play-why-crows-are-sacrificing-a-list-spot

He may be burdening our list for a while yet

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=19&ved=0ahUKEwiYyYK9h9rQAhUKabwKHeWDD0AQFghZMBI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fmagazine-34198390&usg=AFQjCNFqs8Ud_lN9USaHYg-PZsUiAez-eA&sig2=ScuCcKovhH8KYeRDOod2dQ

What a shame as I really think barring injury that he could add value to the list .. It appears his issues run deeper than just concussion .. Nothing wrong with that as mental illness  & I hope he's getting the right support 

Random question - if we upgrade a rookie do you have to state who is moving onto the injury list and why? I'm wondering if H is holding out to be placed on an injury list - as it would gaurantee him income under some kind of AFLPA agreement.

Anyone know if that's the case? And if so does it limit our ability to upgrade until this is resolved?

7 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

Random question - if we upgrade a rookie do you have to state who is moving onto the injury list and why? I'm wondering if H is holding out to be placed on an injury list - as it would gaurantee him income under some kind of AFLPA agreement.

Anyone know if that's the case? And if so does it limit our ability to upgrade until this is resolved?

As I understand it:

- A club can promote an 'A' rookie to the primary list at the beginning of the season if they have less than 40 players on that list, regardless of the reason.  We have 40 so unless a player goes onto the LTI list we can't promote an 'A' Rookie.  Lumumba was on the LTI list at the end of last year if the club applies for that to continue, then a spot will become available. 

- A 'B' Rookie can play senior football at any time (not sure whether they are then technically on the primary list but they can play seniors).  Going on the Casey and training reports Joel Smith looks close to being a senior player so maybe he could step up and leave Lumumba on the list.

I would think the club would promote a rookie only if they expect him to play seniors otherwise it doesn't mean much.

17 hours ago, monoccular said:

He may be burdening our list for a while yet

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=19&ved=0ahUKEwiYyYK9h9rQAhUKabwKHeWDD0AQFghZMBI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fmagazine-34198390&usg=AFQjCNFqs8Ud_lN9USaHYg-PZsUiAez-eA&sig2=ScuCcKovhH8KYeRDOod2dQ

not sure what to say after reading that article

You won’t see Lumumba play again. Club is working on an injury settlement that suits both parties. It will free up a spot on the list for a rookie upgrade.

It’s between Joel Smith and Tim Smith at this stage.

7 hours ago, Steamin Demon said:

You won’t see Lumumba play again. Club is working on an injury settlement that suits both parties. It will free up a spot on the list for a rookie upgrade.

It’s between Joel Smith and Tim Smith at this stage.

So we are paying memberships that are used to pay out a guy who is ok to play ? no way should he get an injury settlement if he is deemed ok to play. if he decides to renege on his part of the contract then that's too bad. only Melbourne F C lose out on this one.