John Butcher

[Moonshadow 17,678]

Never a more apt surname.

[Adzman 2,154]

Butcher looked like he was going to be a star when drafted. Clearly he doesn't have the skills required for the top level.

A shame, but that's footy.It's a hard business!

I would rather games into the young forwards already on our list.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,110]

Honestly, it's not the worst idea.  Yes, there are better options out there, but are there better options we can get?  Watts is not the answer to the second ruck problem.  Butcher can take a mark and is a better ruck that Watts or Pedo.  His kicking is an issue but it can be worked on.  We already have two for the remedial kicking class over the summer, so why not a third? 

On the down side, the only place you could play him would be in the forward-line, which means not playing Weideman, Hulett or someone else we are developing.  But that issue remains no matter what we do to give Gawn a cutout. 

[GM11 790]

4 hours ago, johndemonic said:

Was just delisted by Port. 197cm Forward/Ruck with a great pair of hands, could be added to our stocks for nothing. Could also keep Hogan company during their goal-kicking classes over the summer. Worth a punt?

 

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2016-08-30/power-makes-list-changes?camefrom=EMCL_1245029_47818037

Good God, No!

[P-man 13,367]

Jesus christ no.

[The Backyard Charizard 1,202]

Spud of the highest order! Have watched him run around in the SANFL many times live and I think he has country footy written all over him... Stay away from my club John... If we picked him up I'd be spewing! 

[Hampton 22 519]

According to the AFL, his departure means that there is now not a single listed player named 'John'. Thought you'd like to know. 

[Tim 3,531]

14 hours ago, johndemonic said:

 Worth a punt?

Nice...

And absolutely no!

[Demon_JB 1,389]

Have you seen this guy kick a ball? It looks like someone who has never picked up an AFL football before and attempt to kick it on their opposite foot.

 

[Nasher 33,617]

13 hours ago, Django said:

 

You saw that Gary Moorcroft mark video kicking around on social media too, huh?

I was surprised to see he's still playing.  Had one very forgettable season on our list too.

[mauriesy 7,429]

Funny how in his second game he kicked six straight goals from 6 kicks. Never came close to that again.

[Nasher 33,617]

7 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

Funny how in his second game he kicked six straight goals from 6 kicks. Never came close to that again.

He did come close again - the next week week he kicked 4.0.

His career tally is 41.21, which suggests that the kicking issues are overplayed.  He's probably just not good enough in general.

I feel a bit sorry for him for some reason.  It would be hard to spend your junior years dominating and being pumped up, only to learn the hard way that it doesn't translate at senior level and you don't have it.  I put Toumpas in the same boat (despite the impact it had on us).  

[old55 23,848]

I'm not an advocate for John Butcher but people need to realise that a fwd-ruck available to us will have some defects or doubts and that's why they're available.  So players like Clarke and Vardy should be seriously considered and yes maybe even Butcher.  It wasn't so long ago that both Sam Jacobs and Josh Jenkins were "spuds" available for trade.  We've got to back our new development program.

[Robbie57 2,041]

I know nothing about this guy but how is it that you can get on an AFL list and not be able to kick. Its always amazes me that this happens. Its fundamental to the game. Indeed I think that at this level if you are within 40 m of the goal and 45 degress from the centre line it should be a certainty that you will goal.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

42 minutes ago, Nasher said:

He did come close again - the next week week he kicked 4.0.

His career tally is 41.21, which suggests that the kicking issues are overplayed.  He's probably just not good enough in general.

I feel a bit sorry for him for some reason.  It would be hard to spend your junior years dominating and being pumped up, only to learn the hard way that it doesn't translate at senior level and you don't have it.  I put Toumpas in the same boat (despite the impact it had on us).  

He got lucky.

With his kicking action he can kick goals, but over a long period of time the probabilities are that he will eventually start to miss more than he kicks.

[ManDee 7,348]

4 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

He got lucky.

With his kicking action he can kick goals, but over a long period of time the probabilities are that he will eventually start to miss more than he kicks.

Why?

Perhaps you don't understand probabilities.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

4 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Why?

Because he kicks like a three year old.

[ManDee 7,348]

4 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Because he kicks like a three year old.

I would posit that 3 year olds get better.

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

6 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Because he kicks like a three year old.

Because everybody who posts on here who played has a 100% record in front of goal    I hope the club isn't interested because I think we have enough fwd/ruck, not because he supposedly can't kick

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

7 minutes ago, ManDee said:

I would posit that 3 year olds get better.

He kicked 5.4 this year and there was probably some out on the full too.

[Little Richard 6,265]

1 hour ago, Nasher said:

You saw that Gary Moorcroft mark video kicking around on social media too, huh?

I was surprised to see he's still playing.  Had one very forgettable season on our list too.

Yep, he's been dominating the NFL for the last 5 or 6 years. Still good to watch him live! James Magner has been running around for Heidelberg this year too, and it looked as though he was tearing it up before an injury.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

5 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Because everybody who posts on here who played has a 100% record in front of goal

Correct, that is exactly what I was implying.

 

[Nasher 33,617]

36 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

He got lucky.

With his kicking action he can kick goals, but over a long period of time the probabilities are that he will eventually start to miss more than he kicks.

He got lucky 41 out of 62 times?

k.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

5 minutes ago, Nasher said:

He got lucky 41 out of 62 times?

k.

In his first two years he kicked 22.5 which is excellent.

In his last four years he kicked 19.16 (plus however many that went out on the full or didn't make the distance) which I think is far more reflective of his capabilities.

[John Demonic 5,935]

I realise my reasoning is very flimsy at best, but it would be nice to pick up a delisted player that can take a pack mark and give them another shot, assuming we can't find a suitable ruck/fwd trade in the offseason of higher value. Everyone can root for a 'rags to riches' tale. There's not much to lose except one spot on the list and a meagre salary. A creative off season signing provides one more reason to get people through the gate. I guess it depends on how valuable that list spot is, or how valuable we consider the current mature aged players we have in the VFL.

Edited August 31, 2016 by johndemonic