The concern with this match is between the ears.  When we have nothing to lose (eg Hawthorn) we come out with intensity and confidence.  When we do have something to lose - when the players know that if we lose there will be hell to pay (eg Essendon, Carlton) they play differently - hesitant, indecisive, 2nd to ball.

We could tell in first 5 minutes the mindset wasn;t right.  The sad thing is nobody (coaches, player leaders) could turn it back on.

Viv michie was ordinary today, but he along with others will join the scrap heap come years end.

 

Much bigger issues than fringe players.

the lack of effort and contested ball in the first quarter is the most inexcusable and disappointing element of the game

A half fit Christian Salem would have been twice as good as either of the mid sized ins this week.

To all those who have been saying we picked the team with an eye to next year, please tell me, what did Weid and ABN get out of playing that game?

1 minute ago, stuie said:

He's gone I think. Mentally already checked out. Wasn't even raising his arms when standing the mark today, let alone chasing, tackling or shepherding.

 

Don't be silly, Stuie.  His kicking needs work, as does his second efforts, but he was our best forward by a country mile today.

A lot of things went wrong today. But to be outworked in the first half by a side that had nothing to play for is simply unforgivable. We've had a good season but wow, today was bitterly disappointing.

Well that wasn't suppose to happen. 

5 minutes ago, stuie said:

He's gone I think. Mentally already checked out. Wasn't even raising his arms when standing the mark today, let alone chasing, tackling or shepherding.

 

For the season or from the club? 

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Don't be silly, Stuie.  His kicking needs work, as does his second efforts, but he was our best forward by a country mile today.

I'm not commenting on his talent or potential, I think he'll be a gun. But I've watched him closely all year, and I'm calling it now that his head and heart are back home now and he'll leave.

 

Just now, DSP said:

Viv michie was ordinary today, buthe along with others will join the scrap heap come years end.

 

Much bigger issues than fringe players.

It becomes an issue when you play more than one or two DSP when you already had the most inexperienced team in the AFL, and you then also throw in a 1 gamer up forward for a mature big bodied guy who's played over 60 games and can play a little. That's 60 games of experience lost right there, thrown into a mix that's already too young in general.

Recipe for a loss and that's what we got.

26 minutes ago, Forest Demon said:

I agree Pedersen would have been a better option today, but a) we obviously still have half an eye on next year and b) this game was lost in the middle of the park

Pedo is a quality defender as well..

Bernie needs a rocket up his ass. [censored] weak and lazy efforts today that resulted in simple diect turnovers.

2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Well that wasn't suppose to happen. 

I recall you were supposed to streak across the ground. Where were you when we needed you?

Good to see next week we have a bye ( good bye to us) next week. Time to take up the Shiraz,any others interested?

Dropping Pedo for Weeds was the worst decision of the year. How can Carltank lose 9 straight yet come out & beat us who have everything to play for? Just pathetic. Why Roos never put Vince on Gibbs is staggering.

So ... anyone up for a bit of in-depth discussion and banter about percentages?

Why on earth did we bring in a couple of VFL players? We completely gave up except our defence. Didn't give a [censored] forward of centre. Deplorable use from inside 50. Vince sucked. Petracca can't use the ball. Jones was good but is a headless chook inside 50. Weideman has the body of a cheese stick. We mentally gave up and we could've won the game with a decent attitude in the 2nd half. That was absolutely disastrous 

3 minutes ago, Ted Fidge said:

So ... anyone up for a bit of in-depth discussion and banter about percentages?

Sure. If the saints can win by about 300 point they make it and 186 goes away.

If Hogan gets over 600k base on his next contract we are getting ripped off.

600k with incentives of which defensive chases and tackles are a big amount.

11 minutes ago, reynolds46 said:

the lack of effort and contested ball in the first quarter is the most inexcusable and disappointing element of the game

It set the game up.  We were killed on the ground.  Couldn't win a clearance and they roved to Gawn.  We lost our confidence and when we got our intent back and got our hands on the footy we jus looked confused. 

Disappointing not to still be in the hunt. Disappointing not to beat a [censored] team like carlton. Looking forward to trade week and pre-season reports

21 minutes ago, btdemon said:

Tyson got 30 disposals. Hi many went to a target, or worse stil, resulted in Carlton goals. He waits, turns back into traffic and floats the kick to a contest or kicks directly to the opposition. He strikes me as having an overinflated opinion of his own ability to influence the game. I would like to see him take the first option sometimes and ffs, learn to kick!  A most selfish footballer sometimes

When no one else is moving in front of you or working hard enough to provide you with an option in the midfield, you can get caught holding the ball or turn it over. I'd be blaming our other mids who failed to bring the work rate or intensity that Tyson did. He was constantly running hard to provide an option for his team mates.

55 minutes ago, Demon Jack said:

Despite loses against Essendon and Carlton, ten wins is still a successful season and a clear step in the right direction.

10 wins isn't successful, it's a par. Not bad but not good either.

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Dumb players, dumb coaches and dumb selection committee.

Funny, that was what I was mumbling to myself all game.

 

I dont blame the changes to the team or the Umps, it all comes down to playing dumb football in the wet. At times today some of our players could not even stand up. Missing easy shots on goal did not help either.