THE HUNT FOR A RED HOT RUCKMAN

[CatFishPig 465]

I reckon Vickery has something to offer.. He is a better option than Dawes for that role I reckon..

Be good to see Pederson and Vickery fight for that forward/ruck role...

[Radar Detector 1,347]

7 minutes ago, sue said:

I'm not buying into the pros and cons of Vickery, but it is perfectly natural to want to persist with inconsistent players already at the club and not want to import more of the same (assuming there is a better alternative available to import).

Herein lies the problem. There are only a handful of guys across the league that do this role well consistently. And none of their clubs will let them go.

Vickery's best football is worthy of a spot in our best 22. He is a better pure forward than Dawes or Pederson and would still have finished top 4 in our goal kicking even this year.

He is also ruckman height and capable of winning a few taps which none of our current forwards do well.

Is he the second coming of Paul Salmon? No. Would he make our team better? Probably.

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

43 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Richmond have just re-signed Maric despite only playing 3 games this year.  They are looking to get rid of Vickery. 

Sort of gives you an idea of their assessment of Vickery's capabilities.

Or Richmond's.

[TRIGON 4,796]

It may be that we just have to accept that there's no ready-made and adequate mature Fwd/Ruck available this year.

[MadAsHell 4,217]

3 hours ago, BLWNBA said:

I'm not totally against Lowden and I'm the first to admit, I haven't seen a lot of him. But seeing he's already effectively made no impact at two clubs, why would it be any difference if he came to us? Would he actually be an upgrade of Spencer? 

Fair comment. He had a lot of injuries at Hawthorn and when he did finally get free of injuries, McEvoy & Hale didn't miss to many games, plus Ceglar was also there. Having said that in the one game he did play, he booted 3 goals.

At Adelaide Jacobs & Jenkins have been a hard combo to dislodge, yet he still kicked over 20 goals in the SANFL.

If the club was to recruit Vickery, I'm not about to go and drive a dump truck of manure to AAMI Park or anything, but I don't see his ruck work being any better then Dawes. Lowden or Zac Clarke or Shaun McKernan I see as being players that can ruck at least as well if not better then Spencer can now,  but also compete better then Spencer forward. 

I'd have Vickery on about par with Andrejis Everritt as simply forwards who can pinch hit ruck as they're more expendable then Watts.

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8 minutes ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Fair comment. He had a lot of injuries at Hawthorn and when he did finally get free of injuries, McEvoy & Hale didn't miss to many games, plus Ceglar was also there. Having said that in the one game he did play, he booted 3 goals.

At Adelaide Jacobs & Jenkins have been a hard combo to dislodge, yet he still kicked over 20 goals in the SANFL.

If the club was to recruit Vickery, I'm not about to go and drive a dump truck of manure to AAMI Park or anything, but I don't see his ruck work being any better then Dawes. Lowden or Zac Clarke or Shaun McKernan I see as being players that can ruck at least as well if not better then Spencer can now,  but also compete better then Spencer forward. 

I'd have Vickery on about par with Andrejis Everritt as simply forwards who can pinch hit ruck as they're more expendable then Watts.

What about your man Darcy Cameron 'Angry', would he be a better bet than any of these?

[Milesh 26]

Still no mention of Jackson Trengove ?

I thought Demonland was a treasure trove of insider mail ?  Colour me disappointed !!

[MadAsHell 4,217]

7 minutes ago, rjay said:

What about your man Darcy Cameron 'Angry', would he be a better bet than any of these?

Personally i think he's a better option then all of them as he has much more scope to improve. Problem is there's no way of ensuring we get him. Just becomes a lucky dip in the draft.

[MadAsHell 4,217]

3 minutes ago, Milesh said:

Still no mention of Jackson Trengove ?

I thought Demonland was a treasure trove of insider mail ?  Colour me disappointed !!

You have our attention?

[Ruzz63Ron 58]

On ‎20‎/‎08‎/‎2016 at 8:52 AM, billy2803 said:

How's Hannah tracking at Freo?  Having been in the system for a good few seasons now, I'd expect that he'd be showing something by now if he's going to make it.

Have had a bit of a soft spot for him since he spent part of a preseason with us (prior to getting picked up by Freo).  That said, I haven't watched any of his games!

Worth a rookie spot. I would also look at James Stewart from GWS. Whatever we do, we need someone. Spencer was great when we beat the Cats last year, but since then he has been ordinary. Minson  and Campbell killed him in the GF.

[Milesh 26]

2 hours ago, AngryAtCasey said:

You have our attention?

I have nothing to share.

I was hoping Demonlanders would.

[Earl Hood 6,152]

Nathan Vardy? 

[monoccular 17,699]

5 hours ago, CatFishPig said:

I reckon Vickery has something to offer.. He is a better option than Dawes for that role I reckon..

Be good to see Pederson and Vickery fight for that forward/ruck role...

Hard to disagree that Vickery is a better ruck than a big man who won't ruck.  

Not sure though that that is actually a particularly high bar.

Maybe, now that we do seem to have finally developed a 'good culture', maybe Vickery could benefit from a change of scenery to a decent club.

Not yet convinced, but wouldn't microwave my membership if our player management team decided on taking him cheaply.

 

 

Player Statistics Comparison   Chris Dawes Name Tyrone Vickery Melbourne Demons Team Richmond Tigers Forward Position Forward 121 Career Games 119 Sandringham Origin Sandringham Dragons May 16, 1988 Date of Birth May 31, 1990 28yr 4mth Age 26yr 4mth 193cm Height 200cm 101kg Weight 99kg 2006 National Draft Last Drafted In 2008 National Draft Round 2, Pick #28 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #8 Collingwood Magpies Last Drafted By Richmond Tigers Career Stats for Season Career 121 Games 119 6.8 Kicks Per Game 5.6 5.2 Handballs Per Game 4.5 12.0 Disposals Per Game 10.1 4.7 Marks Per Game 3.9 1.1 Goals Per Game 1.3 0.8 Behinds Per Game 0.7 2.5 Tackles Per Game 1.9 1.6 Hitouts Per Game 6.6 1.1 Frees For Per Game 1.0 0.9 Frees Against Per Game 0.9

Edited October 5, 2016 by monoccular

[DeeSpencer 26,497]

Vickery is off to Hawthorn.

Nankervis is repeatedly linked with Richmond.

Witts to Gold Coast

Zac Clarke might well stay put.

Vardy has been linked with West Coast.

So the ruck wheel of fortune is spinning without the Dees so far.

Tom Downie at GWS has decent NEAFL form but very limited AFL exposure, he could be available cheaply and be an upgrade on Spencer as a back up. Kicked a few goals in the NEAFL this year but it's hard to read much in to that.

[spirit of norm smith 16,656]

Tom Downie with pick 64 is a good punt. He is more of a Ruckman and backup for Gawn.

[MadAsHell 4,217]

Better yet, Col Garland & Pick 62 for Tom Downie & Aidan Corr?

[Port Demons 131]

Jack Hannath just delisted by Freo. Possible cheap depth Ruck option and may progress under the tutelage of BIG MAX 

He was doing pre-season with us a few years ago up in Darwin before being drafted by Freo. 

 

[deelete my account 1,194]

is 31 year old Will Minson worth a year or two? He said he's leaving the Dogs. Never saw him play this year.

Edited October 5, 2016 by DominatrixTyson

[BLWNBA 1,482]

3 hours ago, DominatrixTyson said:

is 31 year old Will Minson worth a year or two? He said he's leaving the Dogs. Never saw him play this year.

I think he's actually retired to pursue interest outside of football, if I understand correctly. 

[Redleg 42,048]

14 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

 

Nankervis is repeatedly linked with Richmond.

 

If Tigers have Hampson and think they can get Nankervis, why would they have rushed to sign Maric for another year, instead of waiting 2 weeks.

[DeeSpencer 26,497]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

If Tigers have Hampson and think they can get Nankervis, why would they have rushed to sign Maric for another year, instead of waiting 2 weeks.

Good point, but they know they are losing Vickery and still need 3 options I guess. They don't have a 3rd guy ready to go. I expect Maric is there partly as a steadying presence in a team that could potentially self destruct pretty quickly if things go badly next year.

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,765]

On 16/08/2016 at 1:44 PM, Nasher said:

How about not even contesting the ruck, and instead just have an extra midfielder sharking the opposition's lone ruckman's inevitable hitout?

Pretty much what the Dogs do.

[Milesh 26]

A second-to-third tier club with a young and developing list is not the type to recruit club off-cuts.

If Hannath was no good to Freo, then he is no good to us.  Likewise Minson.  He's old hat anyway.

I would move on Nankervis because of his athleticism, however I am certain Melbourne have something in the works.

[old55 23,848]

I think Hogan, Weideman, Watts, Fwd-Ruck is too top heavy and costs us a mid in the rotation.  Ultimately Weed or Weed and Watts need to share the Fwd-Ruck duties but I agree that's a few years off for Weed.  In the meantime it's a conundrum - Max goes down Jordan Roughead style in a final and we lose because there's no Tom Boyd.

[hoopla 418]

As far as rucks arevconcerned we were just about the most fortunate club in the AFL this year . We kept the All Australian ruckman on the park for just about the whole season. The odds are that we won't be so lucky next year.

Both Grand Finalists needed 4 ruckmen to get through their campaigns.  Roughead / Campbell/ Minson/ Boyd v. Tippett/ Sinclair/ Naismith / Nankervis. Arguably the emergence of Boyd as a genuine relief ruckman - esp in the prelim - was pivotal to the Bulldogs premiership.

Injuries to ruckmen late in the season seriously affected the campaigns  of several clubs - Natanui/ Lycett , Ceglar, Lobbe ( on top of Ryder) , Hampson and Jacobs( with Jenkins sore). Add Sandilands/ Griffen ..... the list goes on.

Although he is the star of one of my all-time favourite comedies, I've never been a big fan of Frank Spencer. But I did think that at a pinch he could hold his own at the centre bounces. But then I saw Campbell and Minson take him to pieces in the VFL Grand Final.

 On that display we could find ourselves limping  towards the finals with a ruck combination of Pederson and Watts if anything happens to Max.

Recent history says that to win a premiership you've got to have 3 If not 4 genuine ruckmen  on your list .We can't risk going into 2017 with Frank the only one big enough and experienced enough to cover Maxie