2 hours ago, DV8 said:

love of a dollar?

Nah. He's cooked. Questionable value. Lyons knows it.Fyffe knows it. Hard point in time.

Id give a Fredo showbag and a years nuggets for him; that only. 

Caveat Emptor

I reckon Freo knows more about his injury than they're letting on - if Fyfe is traded I'll assume he'll be injury prone throughout the remainder of the career.  High risk / High reward for anyone thinking of taking him on IMO.

 

9 hours ago, picket fence said:

Look at the influence of Dangerfield to Geelong! and I regard Fyfe as a better palyer! And you want to quibble over Cost?? 

Sheeit offer him what he wants and chase HARD!

I'll quibble over cost if it costs us Hogan. I believe we are already building a very very good midfield, obviously Fyfe would make it better but I don't want to lose the big forward we've already invested so much into for Fyfe. 

Inquire but also think of the bigger picture. 

If he wants a flag he should join GWS.  They have the assets to deal and Freo are already into a few of their players.

12 hours ago, picket fence said:

Look at the influence of Dangerfield to Geelong! and I regard Fyfe as a better palyer! And you want to quibble over Cost?? 

Sheeit offer him what he wants and chase HARD!

Dangerfield, like Judd and Ablett before him, is wallpapering serious midfield deficiencies at his club. I'd prefer to go after a star in the making who will conceivably cost us less, ie Brad Crouch. 

12 hours ago, beelzebub said:

What does the Richmond doctor say about Nathan ?

The same thing he said about Jack Trengove.

7 minutes ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

Dangerfield, like Judd and Ablett before him, is wallpapering serious midfield deficiencies at his club. I'd prefer to go after a star in the making who will conceivably cost us less, ie Brad Crouch. 

More than midfield deficiencies 'Adam'.

I think the Cats have real problems with defence if the ball is moved in fast.

Their key midfielders are downhill skiers and if they don't get on top the Cat's are toast.

...but to your point, I'm not so keen on the superstar signing either.

Find someone who compliments the list and grows with us, I think we have a few stars in the making on our list already.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/fremantle-dockers/fremantle-shock-as-hayden-ballantyne-joins-list-of-dockers-looking-elsewhere-20160812-gqr90i.html

 

something is up at Freo.

There was a few rumours floating around Perth earlier in the year about players being unhappy about favouritism. It seems like something has definitely changed the culture of the club. Fyfe and Sandilands are good, but they aren't that good that the rest of the team becomes completely incompetent.

20 hours ago, Roost It said:

Freo will likely play finals next year

Strongly disagree. 

Fyfe for Terlich. Straight swap.

1 hour ago, The heart beats true said:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/fremantle-dockers/fremantle-shock-as-hayden-ballantyne-joins-list-of-dockers-looking-elsewhere-20160812-gqr90i.html

 

something is up at Freo.

There was a few rumours floating around Perth earlier in the year about players being unhappy about favouritism. It seems like something has definitely changed the culture of the club. Fyfe and Sandilands are good, but they aren't that good that the rest of the team becomes completely incompetent.

Not surprising given Ross Lyon is an utter [censored].

52 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/fremantle-dockers/fremantle-shock-as-hayden-ballantyne-joins-list-of-dockers-looking-elsewhere-20160812-gqr90i.html

 

something is up at Freo.

There was a few rumours floating around Perth earlier in the year about players being unhappy about favouritism. It seems like something has definitely changed the culture of the club. Fyfe and Sandilands are good, but they aren't that good that the rest of the team becomes completely incompetent.

Yes, it seems like there is a mutiny of sorts. With Ballantyne considering a transfer to any club even the arch enemy, Eagles it sounds serious.

Pavlich was probably the glue that held players together.  Lose him and the cracks start to appear.  Add Ross's (reported) iron fisted style and trouble brews.

Lyons is not a 'rebuild' coach, nor is he a developer of people (eg assistant coaches).  Many people think they will do a 'Phoenix' like the Eagles and Pies, instead they may be wallowing at the bottom of the ladder for a while.

Ross is talking up their new $100m sporting facility and cashed up sponsors but they don't mean much if players don't play for their coach.  Fyfe is pretty smart he may have just seen the writing on the wall!

Ross Lyon is a list destroyer. He plays his favourites and gets the best out of them, to the detriment of the other listed players' generally not in the starting 22.

He did it at the Saints, he is now doing it at the Dockers.

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Pavlich was probably the glue that held players together.  Lose him and the cracks start to appear. 

Rumour is the reverse. Don't know how valid it is, but I've heard it from a few different places. Not necessarily him, but more his treatment versus the rest of the playing group. 

3 hours ago, Ricky P said:

Not surprising given Ross Lyon is an utter [censored].

Very handy player.

3 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

Ross Lyon is a list destroyer. He plays his favourites and gets the best out of them, to the detriment of the other listed players' generally not in the starting 22.

He did it at the Saints, he is now doing it at the Dockers.

Clearly the reason Sylvia didn't fire a shot at the Dockers.

To get FYFE over the line I suspect you'd need to offer him a vision of the club with him in some sort of leadership role immediately, but captaincy further down the line but no less than 3 years. I think any club offering him that would be a chance. St Kilda do not have the most immediate leader to replace Riewoldt and should offer him captaincy within 3 years or straight away in the style of the Chris Judd trade. I don't think it would breed discontent in the ranks if captaincy is what it takes to get him into the club. If I was Carlton, Richmond, Essendon or Nth Melb,  I'd do the same.

Melb is a tricky situation, this is probably why I think Fyfe will not come to Melbourne as there seems to be an unofficial plan in place for Viney to become a captain of the club for the rest of his career. I'm not disagreeing with Viney being captain, I'm just offering my viewpoint as to why Fyfe is not a good fit for the Dees. Though our club guernsey would be a pretty nice looking fit on him.

Edited August 17, 20168 yr by johndemons

51 minutes ago, johndemons said:

To get FYFE over the line I suspect you'd need to offer him a vision of the club with him in some sort of leadership role immediately, but captaincy further down the line but no less than 3 years. I think any club offering him that would be a chance. St Kilda do not have the most immediate leader to replace Riewoldt and should offer him captaincy within 3 years or straight away in the style of the Chris Judd trade. I don't think it would breed discontent in the ranks if captaincy is what it takes to get him into the club. If I was Carlton, Richmond, Essendon or Nth Melb,  I'd do the same.

Melb is a tricky situation, this is probably why I think Fyfe will not come to Melbourne as there seems to be an unofficial plan in place for Viney to become a captain of the club for the rest of his career. I'm not disagreeing with Viney being captain, I'm just offering my viewpoint as to why Fyfe is not a good fit for the Dees. Though our club guernsey would be a pretty nice looking fit on him.

Since when does offering the captaincy have anything to do with Fyfe coming to Melbourne? 

Fyfe will only come to Melbourne because he will see us as a genuine premiership contender and achieve great success in the next couple of years.

Has absolutely jack [censored] to do with the captaincy.

For all we know the Freo players dont rate his leadership at all.. So what that say really.

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Since when does offering the captaincy have anything to do with Fyfe coming to Melbourne? 

Fyfe will only come to Melbourne because he will see us as a genuine premiership contender and achieve great success in the next couple of years.

Has absolutely jack [censored] to do with the captaincy.

For all we know the Freo players dont rate his leadership at all.. So what that say really.

“Nat is clearly a very demanding leader at times and certainly knows what he wants. We love that about him. We really respect that,” Mundy said.

It's my personal opinion that Fyfe is the kind of player and person that would want to be the captain of a football club, it's well documented that He and Mundy were competing for it. Have you seen footage of him in the rooms and onfield? He's a very dominant presence. He's 24 now so I think within 3 years would be the timeframe for him. I'm not an insider, i'm just an outsider offering my opinion. No need to be so abrupt with the response Jack. As I said, Viney will be the captain for 7+ years i'd assume so I don't think Fyfe would come to Melb for that reason.

Other clubs will offer a leadership and captain role in the near future and that's why I think he will go there. There is more than ONE club offering potential premiership success. I'm not downplaying what we have to offer.

Edited August 17, 20168 yr by johndemons

6 hours ago, johndemons said:

To get FYFE over the line I suspect you'd need to offer him a vision of the club with him in some sort of leadership role immediately, but captaincy further down the line but no less than 3 years. I think any club offering him that would be a chance. St Kilda do not have the most immediate leader to replace Riewoldt and should offer him captaincy within 3 years or straight away in the style of the Chris Judd trade. I don't think it would breed discontent in the ranks if captaincy is what it takes to get him into the club. If I was Carlton, Richmond, Essendon or Nth Melb,  I'd do the same.

Melb is a tricky situation, this is probably why I think Fyfe will not come to Melbourne as there seems to be an unofficial plan in place for Viney to become a captain of the club for the rest of his career. I'm not disagreeing with Viney being captain, I'm just offering my viewpoint as to why Fyfe is not a good fit for the Dees. Though our club guernsey would be a pretty nice looking fit on him.

Think this makes good sense, and can understand why we'd baulk at guaranteeing him the captaincy.

So it was just reported here on 7 news break in Perf that St Kilda and Essendon are "considering making a play for Nat Fyfe."

On 12 August 2016 at 6:04 PM, Demon Disciple said:

Ross Lyon is a list destroyer. He plays his favourites and gets the best out of them, to the detriment of the other listed players' generally not in the starting 22.

He did it at the Saints, he is now doing it at the Dockers.

This is rubbish.  Great coach with a great track record.

8 minutes ago, McQueen said:

So it was just reported here on 7 news break in Perf that St Kilda and Essendon are "considering making a play for Nat Fyfe."

Is it me or does anyone else get quite shitty when we are never mentioned as a club interested when it comes to big name players. Even with Hurley we hear bits here and there but nothing else.

I understand club maybe wants to keep a low profile but most of the time it ends up that we are never in the hunt with most of the big name players that get mentioned.

You'll always hear us chasing the Melkshams and the Hibberds but personally they dont excite me at all.

6 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Is it me or does anyone else get quite shitty when we are never mentioned as a club interested when it comes to big name players. Even with Hurley we hear bits here and there but nothing else.

I understand club maybe wants to keep a low profile but most of the time it ends up that we are never in the hunt with most of the big name players that get mentioned.

You'll always hear us chasing the Melkshams and the Hibberds but personally they dont excite me at all.

They may not pass the no d!ck head policy.

6 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Is it me or does anyone else get quite shitty when we are never mentioned as a club interested when it comes to big name players. Even with Hurley we hear bits here and there but nothing else.

I understand club maybe wants to keep a low profile but most of the time it ends up that we are never in the hunt with most of the big name players that get mentioned.

You'll always hear us chasing the Melkshams and the Hibberds but personally they dont excite me at all.

Probably because we don't put our name out there in public attached to a player unless we know for sure we'll get them. Just look at how embarrassing the Richmond situation was last year with Treloar.

We're trying to prevent having eggs on our face. Comparitively, this just makes St Kilda look desperate. They've said they're attached to Dangerfield, Hurley, Fyfe and countless others, and ended up with none of them. It actually just reflects poorly on their club and reiterates a perception that they aren't a destination club.