Alex Rance

[John Crow Batty 8,860]

If TMac does want out, there may be a possibility of a straight swap there.

[Little Richard 6,261]

Can't see Rance going anywhere.

[stuie 7,374]

1 minute ago, america de cali said:

If TMac does want out, there may be a possibility of a straight swap there.

Would think Rance has a fair bit more currency than TMac. Would need to add a second round pick IMO.

 

[Glenn Molloy 494]

Half our team can't hit the side of a barn.  We need more than him.

[mo64 5,852]

If Rance was looking at getting out and wanted to stay in Melbourne, the Bulldogs would be the obvious destination club, because they're contending and his old man played there.

Can't see why he'd be interested in coming to us.

 

[stuie 7,374]

1 minute ago, mo64 said:

If Rance was looking at getting out and wanted to stay in Melbourne, the Bulldogs would be the obvious destination club, because they're contending and his old man played there.

Can't see why he'd be interested in coming to us.

 

Because we're better than Richmond and have more cap space than the Doggies...

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

Rance coming to Melbourne might set his conscience at ease after thumping Watts in the back of the head.

Yeah, you better run it by Jack first.....

[Moonshadow 17,673]

1 hour ago, stuie said:

He's also an All-Australian. We don't have any of those.

 

Heritier Lumumba says hi

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Would love him.

But there is no way we'd be able to get him.

[whatwhat say what 22,622]

rance is a superstar key defender.

 

he's everything we want t mac / o mac / frost to be.

[old55 23,348]

Richmond would want 2 first rounders for him and that's realistic.

[Adam The God 30,105]

Isn't Rance 27-28? So he'd have 3 or 4 years left. And we'd have to give up something a little more than our first rounder next year and a Salem. I'm not sure it's worth it. Also not sure he'd consider a team not playing finals this year. He only has a few years left.

Further, hasn't he already come out of retirement once?

It's a no from me. Keep building our midfield.

[nutbean 8,838]

51 minutes ago, Glenn Molloy said:

I heard that on KBs show too and if teammates are upset about it, they are kidding themselves.  He has (with Dusty) been their best performer this year by so far that he can decide to come back whenever he likes!!  It's not compromised his performance so what's the issue?  

 

 

Seriously ? Football is a team sport. You have little understanding of football clubs and good culture if you think that is acceptable. I understand that clubs stagger returns to preseasons based on age and appropriate player loads but if you are trying to build a culture of "team first", the notion that a player can take a longer holiday because he plays well is contrary to good culture building. Rance is in the leadership group  - you want your leadership group setting some sort of example - first on the track and last off. 

I'll pose the question - where do you draw the line ? Dusty as you said has been great too - lets let him come back late as well. Jake Lloyd has been one of their better performing players  - maybe a week later for him ? Vickery on the other hand - make him come back 2 weeks early ? Once you make exceptions for players based on anything other than age and health, you are on a slippery slope. 

[stuie 7,374]

2 minutes ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

Isn't Rance 27-28? So he'd have 3 or 4 years left. And we'd have to give up something a little more than our first rounder next year and a Salem. I'm not sure it's worth it. Also not sure he'd consider a team not playing finals this year. He only has a few years left.

Further, hasn't he already come out of retirement once?

It's a no from me. Keep building our midfield.

26. Turning 27 in October.

What do you think of our backline currently as opposed to our midfield?

 

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

Don't trust a player that wants to walk less than 12 months after signing a 4 year deal...

[Adam The God 30,105]

Just now, stuie said:

26. Turning 27 in October.

What do you think of our backline currently as opposed to our midfield?

 

Thanks. So three or four years left.

I think our backline is raw, but continues to develop well. But our midfield could still do with a little more juice. 

And FWIW, I'd take Rance in a heartbeat if he was 25. I think he's too big a risk to take at his age.

[stuie 7,374]

Just now, AdamFphlebeb said:

Thanks. So three or four years left.

I think our backline is raw, but continues to develop well. But our midfield could still do with a little more juice. 

And FWIW, I'd take Rance in a heartbeat if he was 25. I think he's too big a risk to take at his age.

Potential A graders IMO...

Midfield: Viney, Brayshaw, Petracca, Salem, Oliver, Tyson

Backline: Maybe Hunt?

Midfield is important as always, but our backline is far more desperate for quality at the moment.

 

[whatwhat say what 22,622]

viney, salem petracca and oliver potentially yes.

 

and salem can't even get on the ground to prove his worth at the moment.

 

none of the others are a-grade quality.

[old55 23,348]

2 minutes ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

Thanks. So three or four years left.

I think our backline is raw, but continues to develop well. But our midfield could still do with a little more juice. 

And FWIW, I'd take Rance in a heartbeat if he was 25. I think he's too big a risk to take at his age.

Over the next 5 seasons he'll be 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 - he's got at least 5 years left, most of them still in his prime.

[stuie 7,374]

Just now, DemonAndrew said:

viney, salem petracca and oliver potentially yes.

 

and salem can't even get on the ground to prove his worth at the moment.

 

none of the others are a-grade quality.

Don't rate Brayshaw or Tyson as potential A graders? Sure , might be being a bit kind, but no more kind than putting Hunt in the list as well.

 

[whatwhat say what 22,622]

nope. good b+ players.

[Moonshadow 17,673]

11 minutes ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

Thanks. So three or four years left.

I think our backline is raw, but continues to develop well. But our midfield could still do with a little more juice. 

And FWIW, I'd take Rance in a heartbeat if he was 25. I think he's too big a risk to take at his age.

Agreed. We need at least one AA quality midfielder, maybe two. IMO we have serviceable midfielders and very inexperienced midfielders with potential, but we lack that very high end mid with about 100+ games under their belt. I don't consider Nate Jones or Bernie to be in that category.

Rance would certainly be a good get, but I saw some good signs from OMac and Frost yesterday and think they will continue to improve with TMac next year.

High end mids (eg. Prestia or O'Meara, pending medicals, or similar) and a skilled, running half back (Hibbert) are on my Christmas wish list.

Improve the midfield and the backs will have less pressure put on them.

Edited August 1, 2016 by Moonshadow

[Little Goffy 14,419]

I'm not convinced he'd be worth the cost at this time. We need to give him a bit more time to become fully disenchanted at Richmond, watch him start phoning it in and just being good for a while, let the mumbling build, then take him at literally half the price in two years time, by which time we will be a much more desirable club to join.

Not the time to buy - the price will move in our favour from both ends!

Plus, we will see how our little mob of awkward 'teenage' defenders develop and what exactly we need.

[stuie 7,374]

13 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

nope. good b+ players.

I'm talking potential, not current status.

[ArtificialWisdom 4,045]

2 hours ago, stuie said:

He's also an All-Australian. We don't have any of those.

 

If Gawn doesnt get AA ruckman this year I'll be livid, Goldy has been too out of form though injury to beat Gawn surely..

If we can get Rance id be thrilled, we have an army of cusp players like ANB, Newton, Michie, Dawes, Dunn, Garland, Grimes that all fit the bill for Richmond they need compeditors to aid their stars, given we expect them to do a full overhaul of their list take the chance to help with that. We would need to give maybe 2 or 3 of those players and a pick or 2  

ANB (a young ball winning prospect), Grimes (seniority), Dunn (hearty battleing defender), 2017 future pick (offer 2nd round but be willing to negotiate to 1st round or another player if they tighten the screws)
For
Rance and a shuffling of late 2016 picks

Huge price to pay for 1 man but time to make a move on a star especially if the opportunity is there

Dreams aside I think getting Rance is roughly a snowballs chance in hell.