9 hours ago, mo64 said:

Ascobar, maybe your problem is that your expectations are based around training reports and match summations from supporters on this forum who wear blinkers. Or maybe you just like to read all the positive things that posters write about the players, and ignore reality.

Blaming the "state of the game of the game" is a cop out.  Your anger should be solely directed at the coach and the players. Actually, also direct your anger at the forum posters who write crap about how good we are, and have falsely set your level of expectation.

 

Bang on Mo. The pre season and training reports are just ridiculous. Optimism one thing but reading demonland in January is like Alice in wonderland . I want to read facts, not rose colored shite

17 hours ago, Ascobar said:

 

 

Dear Demonland,

 

I am not a regular poster but I have been religiously reading Demonland for several years now.

 

However, after watching (most of) the match against Essendon I’ve decided it is time to bid farewell to Demonland and take a break from watching football indefinitely. I have lost the enjoyment of following the game and club I have loved for the last 27 odd years.

 

The performance of our players against a club I despise so much (ever since their dirty tactics against our young players in the 2000 grand final) was nothing short of soul destroying. Of course there have been worse defeats than that of late, but after all the positivity around the club during the pre-season it is so deflating and incomprehensible to see the team play with so little spirit and coherency.

 

But that’s not the only reason. The state of the game and the management of the league has becoming a complete farce with the constant rule changes, draft manipulations, and unequal fixturing, not to mention the appallingly inconsistent decision-making of the AFL governing body. Watching clubs like Hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney consistently being able to top up their lists without dropping from contention is a complete farce and against the spirit of the game as far as I am concerned.

 

But before I sign off I wanted to say a big thank you to all those that contribute to this forum.

 

I have greatly enjoyed the incredible amount of passion and insightful input provided by the majority of posters. As someone who has been living overseas the last few years with limited opportunities to see the Dees play on the hallowed turf of the MCG I have found the forum to be a great resource. Particularly, the training reports which help keep the fires burning during the off season.

 

I hope you all continue to keep the passion going and I hope the club will (eventually) turn things around and become a finals team once again.

 

Ascobar

P.S. Shout outs to my favourite posters in Whispering Jack, Steve the Man, and Saty plus all the moderators and administrators for keeping the forum afloat.

 

Careful not to knock the bong over on your way out the door.

Yes the rule tampering is a joke but I think they might finally have it right, some of the games in the first two rounds have been great. 

By all means stick it up Sydney and the farce that is COLA but what has Geelong and Hawthorn done outside of the rules? Our players could learn from this clubs.

Real fans stick fat.

 

You referring to players or supporters?

Must admit after a nice game of golf today was contemplating more of the same after yesterday but your message resonates.

Jacksons going to find it hard enough to put bums on seats after the football department's abject failure yesterday, so despite the best efforts of the players yesterday, think I'll stick with them a while longer.

22 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Gosh you two are boring.

Yawwwwnnnnnn!!!!!...sorry what were you saying?

Understand where Ascobar is coming from.

I can take defeat by a side more talented and well drilled than us but to be beaten by a side on work rate, desperation and a want for the contest which are something we should be bringing in spades after where we have been for a decade is damning.

Losing games like yesterday's hit me harder than some of the spankings we have copped by the top sides over the past seasons.

Just being AFL players seem to be enough for too many of our squad, and the want to continually improve is just not present.

Edited April 3, 20169 yr by T-34

11 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

 I think just when we were on the threshold of being at least an ok side again the change in interchange numbers has altered the game. Roosy is old school defensive and thats not a good look in 2016. theres now 2 things that have happened 1. the players  look a little too big and not aerobic enough and 2.  the game plan looks inadequate....again. Freo are suffering also. Lyon and Roosy were the masters of defense.  I just had that sickening feeling that it wasnt just a "bad loss" but a sign we were on the wrong side of history. It wasnt a massive loss points wise but my footy depression meter has gone  off the scales. 

Not sure about this. We ran over the GWS in the last quarter. Perhaps the mix isn't quite right yet. It was skills, decision making and attitude that brought us undone yesterday.

Understandable response to a game where we were represented by Ben Kennedy and 21 Trent Cotchin impersonators.

1 hour ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Careful not to knock the bong over on your way out the door.

Yes the rule tampering is a joke but I think they might finally have it right, some of the games in the first two rounds have been great. 

By all means stick it up Sydney and the farce that is COLA but what has Geelong and Hawthorn done outside of the rules? Our players could learn from this clubs.

Real fans stick fat.

 

Funny BA. Not sure why but funny.

On 3 April 2016 at 4:54 PM, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Careful not to knock the bong over on your way out the door.

Yes the rule tampering is a joke but I think they might finally have it right, some of the games in the first two rounds have been great. 

By all means stick it up Sydney and the farce that is COLA but what has Geelong and Hawthorn done outside of the rules? Our players could learn from this clubs.

Real fans stick fat.

Normally I would agree with your sentiments although not with your logic or dismissive attitude to disgruntled and disillusioned Demon supporters. But in the case of Ascobar your comments are a little unwarranted. As others have pointed out one the main things he emphasized in his post was to praise the passion and insight of many of the posters on Demonland. I concur with his comments and his choice of favorite posters although there are a few others whose dedication and insights make Demonland worth reading.

And he also raises legitimate concerns about the way Australian football has recently developed. I share many of these concerns and suggest that all Melbourne supporters should at least be aware of the way the administration of the game is trending. That is, in my opinion, the development of a two tiered or defacto relegation system and Melbourne gets the short straw in this situation. 

However, the main reason I wish to respond to your and other similar comments is more in the hope that you may have some understanding of the Ascobar's situation which I completely relate to. In my case I have been a member of the MFC for about 38 years. When I lived in Melbourne I would attend most of their games. In 1992 I moved interstate but still watched most games on TV and managed to get to a few games a year as well as holding positions in the local Demons supporter group. So I really don't think my past  loyalty and devotion to the club can be questioned.

Like Ascobar, I moved overseas last year and I can relate to his present outlook. I don't  have the opportunity to watch Melbourne play live and of course the  tyranny of distance precludes me from attending games. I did subscribe to the AFL live webcast last year but found it useless and a complete waste of money as I couldn't get one single game live. The website itself is so arcane that I found it impossible to contact the AFL to rectify the situation. So once bitten twice shy and this year I rely on snippets from the free to air AFL website, the Fairfax Press the club and of course Demonland for my fix. But I am living in a country which neither knows or cares very much about Australian football much less the Melbourne Football Club. Interaction with other supporters is limited to emails. Under these circumstances it becomes difficult to accurately discern the reality of the teams's situation from the wild overoptimism during the preseason So it is almost inevitable that when you are so isolated that your enthusiasm starts to wane, especially after yesterday's debacle .

So I think that Ascobar's considered post was worthy of a more balanced response than "Careful not to knock the bong over on your way out the door." and "Real fans stick fat"

On 3 April 2016 at 6:22 PM, Mydee said:

Normally I would agree with your sentiments although not with your logic or dismissive attitude to disgruntled and disillusioned Demon supporters. But in the case of Ascobar your comments are a little unwarranted. As others have pointed out one the main things he emphasized in his post was to praise the passion and insight of many of the posters on Demonland. I concur with his comments and his choice of favorite posters although there are a few others whose dedication and insights make Demonland worth reading.

And he also raises legitimate concerns about the way Australian football has recently developed. I share many of these concerns and suggest that all Melbourne supporters should at least be aware of the way the administration of the game is trending. That is, in my opinion, the development of a two tiered or defacto relegation system and Melbourne gets the short straw in this situation. 

However, the main reason I wish to respond to your and other similar comments is more in the hope that you may have some understanding of the Ascobar's situation which I completely relate to. In my case I have been a member of the MFC for about 38 years. When I lived in Melbourne I would attend most of their games. In 1992 I moved interstate but still watched most games on TV and managed to get to a few games a year as well as holding positions in the local Demons supporter group. So I really don't think my past  loyalty and devotion to the club can be questioned.

Like Ascobar, I moved overseas last year and I can relate to his present outlook. I don't  have the opportunity to watch Melbourne play live and of course the  tyranny of distance precludes me from attending games. I did subscribe to the AFL live webcast last year but found it useless and a complete waste of money as I couldn't get one single game live. The website itself is so arcane that I found it impossible to contact the AFL to rectify the situation. So once bitten twice shy and this year I rely on snippets from the free to air AFL website, the Fairfax Press the club and of course Demonland for my fix. But I am living in a country which neither knows or cares very much about Australian football much less the Melbourne Football Club. Interaction with other supporters is limited to emails. Under these circumstances it becomes difficult to accurately discern the reality of the teams's situation from the wild overoptimism during the preseason So it is almost inevitable that when you are so isolated that your enthusiasm starts to wane, especially after yesterday's debacle .

So I think that Ascobar's considered post was worthy of a more balanced response than "Careful not to knock the bong over on your way out the door." and "Real fans stick fat"

I am a lifetime supporter and am in my 14th consecutive year as a Redleg member. I lived in Melbourne but moved to Sydney five years ago and currently live in Cronulla. Up until 12 months ago my work took me all over the country, ironically in 2014 I spent the majority of the year working in Melbourne and was able to attend about 9 games. I have also spent a lot of time in the Hunter Valley. I've lost track of the amount of pubs I've asked for the AFL to be put on only to have the smallest TV in the room put on without volume and yet I still manage to make more noise than punters that have gathered to watch the league. In the last 12 months I've been back in Sydney full time and have worked more than my share of weekends. I will often take my earphones in or just have the phone In my top pocket with radio on then try to steal a glance through the live game app when it permits. 

In short we all do our bit. 

Take a break from the game but don't walk away for ever. Whether I like it or not I'm addicted to the game and this club.

I stand by my comments,

real suppoters stick fat.

Through thick and thin.

At the end of the day you don't leave a supporter forum because the team had a bad loss. Nonsensical.

I don't mind supporters who want to take a bit of time off from following AFL. Il take that.

Unlike the [censored] who posted on here couple of years ago saying he was changing teams to Richmond and had the guts to say they will have a more successful era then us.

2 hours ago, TRIGON said:

Understandable response to a game where we were represented by Ben Kennedy and 21 Trent Cotchin impersonators.

Brilliant. Is there a more overated footballer in the country than Cotchin?

41 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I don't mind supporters who want to take a bit of time off from following AFL. Il take that.

Unlike the [censored] who posted on here couple of years ago saying he was changing teams to Richmond and had the guts to say they will have a more successful era then us.

Can you remember who that was Dazzle? And do you think they have since returned under another name?

19 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Brilliant. Is there a more overated footballer in the country than Cotchin?

It was refreshing to hear some commentators on Friday night attack his game. Loitering around the back of packs for the cheap handball receives. 

Something I noticed last year a lot in Richmond's game and Cotchin isn't alone in doing it is, dropping at the slightest hint of contact hoping to have the tackler fall into their back and the picking up of the ball then run with their head down hoping to draw contact. To the umpires credit they did start to wise up to this last year.

10 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Can you remember who that was Dazzle? And do you think they have since returned under another name?

I think his name was Skills32 and he changed to Tigerdayz or something along those lines?

13 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

Not different at all.

I'm talking about staying loyal and supporting the best way one can.

Walking away is not a solution......but, whatever....

His alias was "Dees Dayz", he changed to "Tigers Dayz". That wasn't a dignified "I've had enough" like this one though, it was a spectacular nana spit, and if I remember rightly, it was over Demonland members arguing with him rather than anything happening on the field. The whole thing was pretty sad.

Ed: wrong quote. Please pretend I quoted BA and not jumbo.

4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I think his name was Skills32 and he changed to Tigerdayz or something along those lines?

Nah, you're confusing two different people. Skills32 was the eccentric, overzealous moderator from Demonology.

1 minute ago, Nasher said:

Nah, you're confusing two different people. Skills32 was the eccentric, overzealous moderator from Demonology.

just as well we don't have any eccentric or overzealous posters here on demonland 

5 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

So you can abuse everybody else but you can't get abuse yourself, impressive....well not really more weak as........... you have no right to tell me I don't care

But it's true...because you said it yourself. 

I didn't have to say a word..

15 hours ago, Adzman said:

I can't change clubs, because I despise them all. I'm stuck with the Dees like some kind of misfortune STD. I would love someone to get rid of my love for the club but it is with me for life whether I want it or not.

Farewell Ascobar, I envy you being able to walk away. I simply can't do it even though I want to.

I have carried this STD for 60+ years!  Thank goodness the first ten or so were worth watching   

13 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

Ive been a Roos believer and still am in terms of what he's done with the overall club. Love him as a man and a leader of men. But, I have to say, like a few others here I now think Goodwin needs to be in the drivers seat. The game has changed, and Roos style wont cut it. I hope he's free enough in his thinking to see that .............unlike Neeld and Bailey before him. If we "stay the course" this year with this game plan we could finish with 4 - 6 wins and a lot of his good work will be undone

On yesterday's form, or moreso yesterday's lack, nay, absence of effort, that is an optimistic number. 

13 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I don't mind supporters who want to take a bit of time off from following AFL. Il take that.

Unlike the [censored] who posted on here couple of years ago saying he was changing teams to Richmond and had the guts to say they will have a more successful era then us.

lol...i remember that person dazzle, he popped back in a couple of years ago to congratulate us on our win over Richmond and recieved a well deserved pasting . Who could imagine swapping teams over a fight with a poster on demonland, he's definately a few rolls short of a bakery

Have to say I was very dissappointed on Saturday night then a good friend who is a Tigers supporter came around and we drowned our sorrows and on Monday morning the sky is blue and I still think we will win 10 games in 2016.

I might add that a regular on here and a supporter for 50 years has taken Ascobars path.

He cannot take it any longer.

 

23 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I am a lifetime supporter and am in my 14th consecutive year as a Redleg member. I lived in Melbourne but moved to Sydney five years ago and currently live in Cronulla. Up until 12 months ago my work took me all over the country, ironically in 2014 I spent the majority of the year working in Melbourne and was able to attend about 9 games. I have also spent a lot of time in the Hunter Valley. I've lost track of the amount of pubs I've asked for the AFL to be put on only to have the smallest TV in the room put on without volume and yet I still manage to make more noise than punters that have gathered to watch the league. In the last 12 months I've been back in Sydney full time and have worked more than my share of weekends. I will often take my earphones in or just have the phone In my top pocket with radio on then try to steal a glance through the live game app when it permits. 

In short we all do our bit. 

Take a break from the game but don't walk away for ever. Whether I like it or not I'm addicted to the game and this club.

I stand by my comments,

real suppoters stick fat.

Likewise, I'm a life time supporter (since the late 50's) and a long time member who has been living in Sydney (Dulwich Hill) since 1979. Everytime I followed an NRL team they got hung up to dry (Newtown, Norths and Souths (who did a Lazarus) so I've given league a miss these days, but I've always stuck fat with the Dees through thick and thin.  

Having said that, I can understand why someone would want to step away from the hysteria that takes over on these forums and in the media...and the sniping that goes on as a result (evident in this thread)... seriously, we lost a game (emphasis on the word "game") that we were expected to win easily...talk about first world problems!  

Edited April 4, 20169 yr by hardtack