Has our culture really changed?

[TGR 1,367]

Not talking about the club internally here, but us supporters and back-slappers.  Why the hell is Garry Lyon a protected species?  Why can't we have the guts to talk about the hottest football topic right now?  Why does admin close down this speech which should be free?  Didn't Garry, comment about Wayne Carey a decade or so ago?  In fact, Garry has been the arbitrator on all matters right and wrong in footy, on and off the ground.

 

We all make mistakes; but we shouldn't be connecting an error of judgement with a "psychological issue".  Unfortunately, this is creeping into all big mistakes in life.  The best get-out-of-jail-card of all time.

 

How far have we come as a supporter base when we can't even talk about this issue right now.  Jack Viney would say to all us, "just follow netball FCS".

 

 

We are still soft with a softer underbelly.

 

 

 

 

 

And....and...if admin want to slap me on the wrist for such an "aggressive" (according to softies) or "robust/opinionated" (according to normals) viewpoint, then I'm gunna just play the old "I have been depressed lately" card.

 

 

 

 

Unbelievably ultra soft.  

 

 

Hannibal, come back and harden this place up.  Please.

Edited February 14, 2016 by TGR
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[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

Lol, you don't have the 'right to free speech' on an internet forum. Where the hell did you get that idea?

[binman 42,959]

2 minutes ago, Choke said:

Lol, you don't have the 'right to free speech' on an internet forum. Where the hell did you get that idea?

He probably thinks he has the right to bare arms as well

Edited February 14, 2016 by binman

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,754]

1 minute ago, binman said:

He probably thinks he has the right to bare arms as well

Depends. If they're covered in tattoos I'd prefer he wore long sleeves.

[dee-luded 2,959]

the Clubs culture doesn't need or want to be animos or vengeful.  it should be kind & understanding, nurturing.  (Off Field towards humans animals life)

 

.....   but that same Culture has to be Hard  (not hateful)  towards our teams/players combative nature On Field.....

 

this is where we fail,  we fail to distinguish that life towards warm blooded life needs to have a kind response,  but out on the battlefield of Our Game,  we need to practice a hard edged ruthlessness,  as if we in a War.   We have to practice this skill to maintain the ability to be able to call on it when required.

 

It is my opinion that our players get their Ego's & Wounds licked by others off-field,  & showered in gifts of expensive cars,  easy high payed jobs,  etc..  and are somehow coerced into not being rugged out on the field of play.....  as if our off field people/supporters who are in player contact,  are virtually antagonists of any rough physical play,  getting into the heads of our players,  & turning them into virtual Choir Boys.  disarming them of any fierceness or rough edges helpful to being rugged.

 

this onfield softness & surrender would be an unintended action of those supporters,  but the result is soft footy.  And eventually the undoing of any Ruthless Footy Culture developed by coaches.

 

# edit:  i don't believe that GLyon's current circumstances in the media spotlight,  have anything to do with the Mfc club culture.

Edited February 15, 2016 by dee-luded

[demon-4-life 467]

44 minutes ago, TGR said:

Not talking about the club internally here, but us supporters and back-slappers.  Why the hell is Garry Lyon a protected species?  Why can't we have the guts to talk about the hottest football topic right now?  Why does admin close down this speech which should be free?  Didn't Garry, comment about Wayne Carey a decade or so ago?  In fact, Garry has been the arbitrator on all matters right and wrong in footy, on and off the ground.

We all make mistakes; but we shouldn't be connecting an error of judgement with a "psychological issue".  Unfortunately, this is creeping into all big mistakes in life.  The best get-out-of-jail-card of all time.

How far have we come as a supporter base when we can't even talk about this issue right now.  Jack Viney would say to all us, "just follow netball FCS".

We are still soft with a softer underbelly.

And....and...if admin want to slap me on the wrist for such an "aggressive" (according to softies) or "robust/opinionated" (according to normals) viewpoint, then I'm gunna just play the old "I have been depressed lately" card.

Unbelievably ultra soft.  

Hannibal, come back and harden this place up.  Please.

So... I really wasn't going to pipe in... but I feel the need to as someone who has had/still has depression.  We're assuming that Garry is using "depression" as a cover for his relationship with Nicky Brownless.  Let try and make this as black and white as possible...even though its a bloody grey.

1. If reports are true, Garry Lyon has been having a relationship with Nicky Brownless.  Both Garry and Nicky were single when engaging in their relationship.  

2. Where the "outrage" has come from is that its because its a "mates ex" that is involved.  Does it suck?  Absolutely.  Is it illegal?  No.  I don't know about any of you, but my best mate is married to an ex I had back in Uni.  Did it suck at the time?  Yes.  But...he's still my best mate, and I see both every week and couldn't be happier for them.  

3. Regardless of anyone's view on Garry and Nicky and the merry go round of partners, in all of this, Garry may also have depression.  To think that he doesn't and it is a cover, I believe is naive.  I hate to think what it would be like to have depression and live in the public spotlight and then have your relationship being judged by every Tom Dick and Harry.  

Beyond Blue reports 45% of individuals will suffer from a bout of depression at some stage in their life.  Based on what is portrayed in the media, I don't believe Garry has done anything that wrong.  He may simply be an individual with depression and conincidently had one relationship end and moved on to another.

Edited February 15, 2016 by demon-4-life

[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

So Garry Lyon is claiming MH issues because he had sex while he was single with a female who is also single?

I don't doubt people have used MH as a cover up for a drug habit or other issues but I just can't see this being one of them. 

Either way, to me it's a private issue, I wish Garry well in his recovery.

i believe the issue should be left here. No one knows the full facts and no good will come from conjecture.

Edited February 15, 2016 by Ethan Tremblay

[nutbean 8,838]

17 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

 

. No one knows the full facts and no good will come from conjecture.

Spot on - and conjecture with complete absence of knowledge it is ....

[Elusive Tunbridge 795]

If I had an ex I would want permanent veto rights over all her future relationships unless it could be proved that her squeeze was mentally disturbed, which I would find comforting.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

1 minute ago, nutbean said:

Spot on - and conjecture with complete absence of knowledge it is ....

We'll leave that sort of work to our journo's.

[Sir Why You Little 37,036]

TGR you wanted your say on this matter

i think you have had it

yes the use of "Mental Illness"

does seem a little strange but what else do you want to say?

[jnrmac 20,065]

1 hour ago, Choke said:

Lol, you don't have the 'right to free speech' on an internet forum. Where the hell did you get that idea?

Actually you don't have a right to free speech anywhere in Australia. Full stop. Particularly with 18c in place.

Australians are misguided in the belief that we can say what we like but it is not enshrined in the constitution like it is in the US under the First Amendment.

 

 

 

[jnrmac 20,065]

57 minutes ago, demon-4-life said:

So... I really wasn't going to pipe in... but I feel the need to as someone who has had/still has depression.  We're assuming that Garry is using "depression" as a cover for his relationship with Nicky Brownless.  Let try and make this as black and white as possible...even though its a bloody grey.

1. If reports are true, Garry Lyon has been having a relationship with Nicky Brownless.  Both Garry and Nicky were single when engaging in their relationship.  

2. Where the "outrage" has come from is that its because its a "mates ex" that is involved.  Does it suck?  Absolutely.  Is it illegal?  No.  I don't know about any of you, but my best mate is married to an ex I had back in Uni.  Did it suck at the time?  Yes.  But...he's still my best mate, and I see both every week and couldn't be happier for them.  

3. Regardless of anyone's view on Garry and Nicky and the merry go round of partners, in all of this, Garry may also have depression.  To think that he doesn't and it is a cover, I believe is naive.  I hate to think what it would be like to have depression and live in the public spotlight and then have your relationship being judged by every Tom Dick and Harry.  

Beyond Blue reports 45% of individuals will suffer from a bout of depression at some stage in their life.  Based on what is portrayed in the media, I don't believe Garry has done anything that wrong.  He may simply be an individual with depression and conincidently had one relationship end and moved on to another.

Cmon mate this is Austraya. You don't shag your mate's missus. Even if she is an ex. Unless of course your mate says its OK......

[old dee 23,791]

Strange thread!

[Cranky Franky 2,060]

26 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

TGR you wanted your say on this matter

i think you have had it

yes the use of "Mental Illness"

does seem a little strange but what else do you want to say?

Sadly mental illness is often wrongly used to cover up a lot of bad behaviours:

Did something wrong & lied about it - I had a mental illness.

Cheated on the wife or girlfriend (& got caught) - I had a mental illness

Got drunk & did something dumb - I had a mental illness.

 

 

[pineapple dee 2,892]

Gary is not a sacred cow, but we all wish him a speedy recovery and to get back to full health with the love and support of those who care for him most. Whether he is having some sort of relationship with someone or not is not our business and frankly lets not condemn him for it. We've all made mistakes (except me) Its part of life.

[dee-luded 2,959]

14 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Sadly mental illness is often wrongly used to cover up a lot of bad behaviours:

Did something wrong & lied about it - I had a mental illness.

Cheated on the wife or girlfriend (& got caught) - I had a mental illness

Got drunk & did something dumb - I had a mental illness.

 

 

... it an also cause people of strong character to make poor decisions with a loss of perception.... it is a (mental) brain/thinking/spiritual un-wellness. this is why people lose judgement & do odd things,  & why some other people have chronic conditions after being brought up by disturbed/angry parents.

in today's 'anything goes' moral condition,  this weakens societies resolve even further as a mean average,,,  allowing individuals to make more mistakes.

 

but how/where do you start when the beholders/organisations/cartels of moral values,  are all corrupted themselves to a large degree.

 

we cannot start by hanging people for making errors of judgement.  we as a cultural society need to mature & learn further about the self  & psychology.  firstly to remove the fears/stigmas that so much pain has been dished out to people,  Via...   see churches using Fear as a tool to try to 'force/control' people,  rather than to nurture them.

 

this fear/control & suppression of emotions like Anger only serves to drive the necrosis's deeper & be more ingrained,  which tends to them erupting when surfacing.

 

Fear/control is the start of bad things being covered up,  & 'In The Closet"  as its called.... see pedophilia & cover ups... institutional molesting of our kids.

 

Fear/Control creates 'Shame' & derision,  & a deep fear of learning to be 'Open & Honest' with one another.  > the church is gone the wrong way shutting people up. anger isn't the menace, its just an emotion.  But suppression can make people explode rather than talk it out.

 

IMO the churches have done us all great damage. & loss of Growth & maturity.

 

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[Grapeviney 9,720]

4 hours ago, TGR said:

 

Not sure what you're on about. This has nothing to do with 'our culture' or 'us as supporters'.

If you don't agree with WJ's decision to close the original thread, you can appeal to the same Swiss court that will consider the Essendon doping saga. 

Best of luck.