DubDee 26,715 Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 Gee we are looking good injury-wise. anyone know who is definately unavailable for round 1? Dawes Newton JT and these 3 are short termers. great position to be in.
Curry & Beer 5,444 Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 1 minute ago, DubDee said: Gee we are looking good injury-wise. anyone know who is definately unavailable for round 1? Dawes Newton JT and these 3 are short termers. great position to be in. Petracca Lumumba, Dunn, Vandenberg not certain/underdone Still in good shape though, best in years
FarNorthernD 5,863 Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 5 hours ago, Curry & Beer said: Petracca Lumumba, Dunn, Vandenberg not certain/underdone Still in good shape though, best in years I thought the start of last year was fairly good too but then went to poo fairly quickly
Ted Lasso 19,586 Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 16 hours ago, Skuit said: This is the team I want to see line up against GWS as our baseline best 22 now and into the near future. FF Garlett Hogan Watts HF Kent Pedersen Petracca RR Viney Gawn Vanders C Vince Jones Brayshaw HB Salem TMac Lumumba FB Jetta Dunn Bugg INT Tyson Kennedy Harmes Oliver In: Dunn vdBurg Brayshaw Lumumba Petracca Out: Frost M. Jones Garland Grimes OMac Hunt (Michie) New: Oliver Petracca Notes: If Petracca is fit then he should play. Based solely on everything I’ve ever heard about the kid. If he’s bouncing around as a stand-out at training already then let GWS decide what to do with him. Frost is a serious dilemma. Pedo offers a bit more at this stage but Frost is obviously seen as contributing to our current forward set-up. Is he a better, more dangerous prospect than Petracca up forward? Does his versatility get him a game before one of the mid/forwards? Then who comes out? Both Oliver and Harmes have impressed me more than Frost during the NAB. The selectors have far greater headaches than I do because I suspect they will want Grimes, Garland, M. Jones and Frost in. Who comes out? Those returning from injury or less experienced: choose four of Vanders, Brayshaw, Lumumba, Harmes, Oliver, Petracca and then Pedo. Selection headache deferred for a week or two even in the event of a win. you want to make major changes to a team that has just won 3 games in a row? i reckon out Wagner, M.Jones, O'Mac In: Lumumba Dunn, Brayshaw
Curry & Beer 5,444 Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 1 hour ago, fndee said: I thought the start of last year was fairly good too but then went to poo fairly quickly yeah with our luck we will have three season ending injuries to key players in the first quarter
Bitter but optimistic 22,289 Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 17 hours ago, Skuit said: This is the team I want to see line up against GWS as our baseline best 22 now and into the near future. FF Garlett Hogan Watts HF Kent Pedersen Petracca RR Viney Gawn Vanders C Vince Jones Brayshaw HB Salem TMac Lumumba FB Jetta Dunn Bugg INT Tyson Kennedy Harmes Oliver In: Dunn vdBurg Brayshaw Lumumba Petracca Out: Frost M. Jones Garland Grimes OMac Hunt (Michie) New: Oliver Petracca Notes: If Petracca is fit then he should play. Based solely on everything I’ve ever heard about the kid. If he’s bouncing around as a stand-out at training already then let GWS decide what to do with him. Frost is a serious dilemma. Pedo offers a bit more at this stage but Frost is obviously seen as contributing to our current forward set-up. Is he a better, more dangerous prospect than Petracca up forward? Does his versatility get him a game before one of the mid/forwards? Then who comes out? Both Oliver and Harmes have impressed me more than Frost during the NAB. The selectors have far greater headaches than I do because I suspect they will want Grimes, Garland, M. Jones and Frost in. Who comes out? Those returning from injury or less experienced: choose four of Vanders, Brayshaw, Lumumba, Harmes, Oliver, Petracca and then Pedo. Selection headache deferred for a week or two even in the event of a win. Can't see Petracca or Henrieta in. Petracca is only a kid who hasn't played footy for over 12 months. Even if he is jumping out of his skin, I can't see him being thrown in at the top level for round 1. I suppose Lumumba is a possibility if fit because of his experience but I'm still doubtful - Garland in.
Skuit 10,031 Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Peter Griffen said: you want to make major changes to a team that has just won 3 games in a row? i reckon out Wagner, M.Jones, O'Mac In: Lumumba Dunn, Brayshaw The team that won three in a row was Melbourne (and by the time we play the last win will be a NAB match two weeks in the past). Two of my changes were a part of that campaign in Vanders and Dunn. Two others you listed in your changes as well. Bench also has to be cut down.
Willmoy1947 4,261 Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 I know this topic is about Team Members for first game but I'm thinking that we should be looking for our team, the participants, that play with certain characteristics. I want three things that will say to me that this year is going to be different. Real hardness at the contest. Speed around the ground and smart play. And I don't care who does it.
ILLDieADemon 804 Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 How does Petracca seem to be in almost ever round 1 team on this site when the guy hasn't played a game for us yet? Is he really that good that he can just walk in after no football for 12 months?? I would have Trengove ahead of him, I know his been out for 2 years but at least he has actually played at AFL level.
Skuit 10,031 Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, ILLDieADemon said: How does Petracca seem to be in almost ever round 1 team on this site when the guy hasn't played a game for us yet? I'm fairly sure I'm just about the only fool who picked Petracca for round 1 (on personal preference not prediction - pretty much zero chance he'll play). Is he really that good that he can just walk in after no football for 12 months?? I'm of course hoping the answer is yes. And every report I've read suggests so. I don't see why he can't make the same impact as Oliver did from NAB day one and Clayton is now reasonably entrenched in most people's minds. Like I said in my post, put him up forward and let GWS work out if he's ready or not. I doubt him over Frost would be the difference between a win or loss but let us dictate terms and maybe even have our own Heeney moment to ramp up early season memberships. Peeps weren't that fussed about Hogan coming straight in after a long footy lay off.
CBDees 3,167 Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 12 hours ago, Skuit said: It is highly unlikely that Petracca will play Round One, particularly as he hasn't been named for Casey this weekend however his form since he has resumed full training has been awesome IMHO and he is destined to have an immediate impact when he is unleashed (even more so than we will see with Oliver come Round One)!
Vipercrunch 2,864 Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 The Demons have opted to give Christian Petracca, who injured his toe playing basketball at Christmas time, a full month of solid training before having him ready to play. A torn anterior cruciate ligament at the start of last season also factoring into the caution Melbourne will show with Petracca. "He's training fully with the group and he's essentially recovered from the toe injury but he's only done two weeks of training coming off an ACL," Misson said. "We want him to have at least four weeks of full training before we let him play." From the weekly injury round-up quoting Misson a few days ago. Sounds like maybe (and just maybe) he will play some sort of football on the weekend of Round 1. They appear to be very conservative so could be a half in the Casey 2nds first up and slowly, slowly after that. Round 4 perhaps for an AFL debut all going well.
ManDee 7,395 Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, S_T said: The Demons have opted to give Christian Petracca, who injured his toe playing basketball at Christmas time, a full month of solid training before having him ready to play. A torn anterior cruciate ligament at the start of last season also factoring into the caution Melbourne will show with Petracca. "He's training fully with the group and he's essentially recovered from the toe injury but he's only done two weeks of training coming off an ACL," Misson said. "We want him to have at least four weeks of full training before we let him play." From the weekly injury round-up quoting Misson a few days ago. Sounds like maybe (and just maybe) he will play some sort of football on the weekend of Round 1. They appear to be very conservative so could be a half in the Casey 2nds first up and slowly, slowly after that. Round 4 perhaps for an AFL debut all going well. I hope they have a cure for leather poisoning.
What 18,810 Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 Looking at GWS likely team.. their midfield is high on talent, but it is a small midfield. Conigio, Shiel, Greene, Scully, Kelly, Palmer.... all on the short side by modern midfielder standards. Makes me even more comfortable with how we have drafted the last few years. I'll be disappointed if we dont smash them at the contest, we have much bigger bodies. We will certainly beat them in the air.
mo64 5,911 Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 58 minutes ago, Petraccattack said: Looking at GWS likely team.. their midfield is high on talent, but it is a small midfield. Conigio, Shiel, Greene, Scully, Kelly, Palmer.... all on the short side by modern midfielder standards. Makes me even more comfortable with how we have drafted the last few years. I'll be disappointed if we dont smash them at the contest, we have much bigger bodies. We will certainly beat them in the air. You left out their most important midfielders in Mumford and Ward. Mumford was the difference in our 1st meeting last year. Unless Gawn can break even, the height of their midfield becomes a moot point. And aside from Kelly, I wouldn't say that the rest are not strong bodied.
Skuit 10,031 Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 Their midfield stomped us and we haven't grown much taller. After Mumford it was their speed and tackling intensity. We've improved on the latter but the former might shape selections. I also recall them not really needing a forward line that day if we're thinking the absence of Cameron will give us some sort of massive edge. The game to be won in the middle and hopefully Jones rocks up this time.
rjay 25,428 Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 On 15 March 2016 at 4:05 PM, Peter Griffen said: This might be unpopular but i am not sure Brayshaw should come straight back in, he's best 22 in my opinion but like all young players i'd like to see him build some form through Casey for a week or two, the team that's just played has won three in a row, so keeping unforced changes to a minimum would be my plan i think On 15 March 2016 at 5:58 PM, rjay said: If he's plays in the practice game for Casey this weekend I can guarantee you he will be in the top few on the ground. Will that be good enough? We don't have enough class yet to leave a player of Brayshaw's calibre out... I think he played himself into the round 1 team today...
DeeSpencer 26,692 Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 3 hours ago, Petraccattack said: Looking at GWS likely team.. their midfield is high on talent, but it is a small midfield. Conigio, Shiel, Greene, Scully, Kelly, Palmer.... all on the short side by modern midfielder standards. Makes me even more comfortable with how we have drafted the last few years. I'll be disappointed if we dont smash them at the contest, we have much bigger bodies. We will certainly beat them in the air. Nathan Jones (180cm), Jack Viney (178cm) and Dom Tyson (186cm) will probably spend the most time up against Callan Ward (186cm), Toby Greene (183cm) and Dylan Shiel (181cm). They have the edge there in terms of players likely to play 75%+ of game time in the centre. I know we'll have some big boys in the rotation with some of Vanders, Harmes, Vince, Brayshaw and Oliver, but they can counter height wise with Steele, Kelly, Stevie J and some solid guys in Coniglio and Palmer. I doubt they'll be worried about being smashed.
dazzledavey36 56,377 Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 4 hours ago, Petraccattack said: Looking at GWS likely team.. their midfield is high on talent, but it is a small midfield. Conigio, Shiel, Greene, Scully, Kelly, Palmer.... all on the short side by modern midfielder standards. Makes me even more comfortable with how we have drafted the last few years. I'll be disappointed if we dont smash them at the contest, we have much bigger bodies. We will certainly beat them in the air. We might beat them in the air but they will smash us on the outside with their pace if we don't pay much respect to them. Their midfield is their biggest weapon led by Mumford and Ward.
DeeSpencer 26,692 Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 FB: Garland Dunn Jetta HB: Vince McDonald Salem C: M Jones Jones Bugg HF: Watts Hogan Kennedy FF: Kent Pedersen Garlett Foll: Gawn Tyson Viney Int: Brayshaw Vanders Oliver Lumumba E: Frost Harmes Grimes If Vanders is a true risk them leave him out, but otherwise he has to play. The last two spots are the hardest and I can see why they might go with Harmes and Frost. But I like Brayshaw and Vanders as defensive forwards who give us more in the midfield and then I've got room for a 7th defender in Lumumba who also provides a bit of speed on the wing and hopefully endurance, and then Matt Jones who give us outside run. He's got a lot of areas of his game to work on and show he's consistent at but at this stage after preseason games Matt Jones might be our most likely outside midfielder. Harmes (or Grimes) ahead of Matt Jones and Frost ahead of either Vanders (inj), Oliver or Lumumba wouldn't surprise me. Leaving out Pedersen wouldn't shock me either but at this stage I find it unlikely.
Skuit 10,031 Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 I just had look back at the highlights of our round 2 defeat against them (don't do it) and their use of speed was downright contemptuous. M. Jones, Frost, Harry and maybe even Stretch could get a decent look-in at the table.
DeeSpencer 26,692 Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 4 minutes ago, Skuit said: I just had look back at the highlights of our round 2 defeat against them (don't do it) and their use of speed was downright contemptuous. M. Jones, Frost, Harry and maybe even Stretch could get a decent look-in at the table. But when we won the contested ball in the first half we were all over them. So it's a difficult one. Our defensive system this year should at least have been pushed more at training than in previous years. And I really hope our forward pressure has gone up a notch. I do expect all 4 of those guys to be in contention though. Maybe apart from Stertch. There's no way he was left at Casey due to lack of form at trainings or last year. It must be developmental and to save him for deeper in the season. I'd be staggered if we picked him for round 1 yet didn't give him a single look at a preseason game.
Bombay Airconditioning 6,510 Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 11 hours ago, Petraccattack said: Looking at GWS likely team.. their midfield is high on talent, but it is a small midfield. Conigio, Shiel, Greene, Scully, Kelly, Palmer.... all on the short side by modern midfielder standards. Makes me even more comfortable with how we have drafted the last few years. I'll be disappointed if we dont smash them at the contest, we have much bigger bodies. We will certainly beat them in the air. Griffen
hemingway 7,633 Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 Despite our expected improvement GWS are going to be hard to beat. They are chock full of talent and they're ability to win the contested ball, hunt in packs, and speed and spread are impressive. I remember feeing very depressed watching them last year. How far they had come and how far away we had to go. There is no doubt we have improved but you would expect they will be a seriously good side this year. I just hope that we can reduce our turnover count. That is going to be critical to our win/loss ratio particularly in the close ones.
Straight Sets Simon 23,113 Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 On 13/03/2016 at 7:43 AM, Clint Bizkit said: FB: Jetta Dunn Garland HB: Bugg McDonald Salem C: Harmes Viney Kennedy HF: Watts Pedersen vandenBerg FF: Garlett Hogan Kent Foll: Gawn N. Jones Vince Int: Oliver Tyson Frost M. Jones Emer: Grimes Stretch Michie Unavailable: Lumumba Petracca Brayshaw White JKH Trengove Dawes Spencer Updated team: FB: Jetta Dunn Garland HB: Bugg McDonald Salem C: Harmes Viney Brayshaw HF: Watts Pedersen vandenBerg FF: Garlett Hogan Kent Foll: Gawn N. Jones Vince Int: Oliver Tyson Frost Kennedy Emer: Grimes Stretch Lumumba I would be very disappointed if Harmes misses out.
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