"Fairfax Media has been told".  What a nice way to say that they listened to 3RRR this morning. (10.30 onwards)

Four Corners, February 1

8:30pm - 9:17pm:  Sarah Ferguson presents an investigation into the criminal networks that are threatening the integrity of sport, amidst the uproar over the match fixing revelations in tennis.

For DL's concerned about corruption, conflicts of interest and mismanagement in sport this may make interesting viewing.  The EFC saga may be mentioned as it was from an ACC investigation into criminal networks in sport that led to EFC's exposure in the first place. 

Sarah Freguson is an outstanding journalist who pulls no punches. 

 

Edited January 31, 20169 yr by Lucifer's Hero

6 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Four Corners, February 1

8:30pm - 9:17pm:  Sarah Ferguson presents an investigation into the criminal networks that are threatening the integrity of sport, amidst the uproar over the match fixing revelations in tennis.

For DL's concerned about corruption, conflicts of interest and mismanagement in sport this may make interesting viewing.  The EFC saga may be mentioned as it was from an ACC investigation into criminal networks in sport that led to EFC's exposure in the first place. 

Sarah Freguson is an outstanding journalist who pulls no punches. 

 

thanks luci. as long as tracey holmes has nothing to do with it 

2 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

That's not the argument. Everyone agrees they consented to being injected. The assault argument, if it proceeds, will be that Dank injected something they did not give their consent to and not what he told them he was giving them. As I've said before, there is no way the players could know what they were being injected with (and nor could any of us when a doctor says he or she is giving us a tetanus shot) as they don't have access to scientific equipment to test the product. Therefore they had to rely on what Dank told them he was doing, just like we rely on our doctors when they tell us what they're doing. To me, believing in Dank was an obvious error and effectively what EFC got done for in the Magistrates' Court and the reason for the governance penalty applied by the AFL.

Having said all that, though, I suspect the assault case is a long shot because of the difficulty in getting evidence from events which occurred 4 years ago.

If the players were unaware why didn't they mention what they were given during routine drug tests? Also could the Chinese swim team and Russian gymnasts use the assault argument? And if so what would it mean for the fight against drugs in sport if any athlete could simply argue that they were duped?

6 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I don't have much time for Peter Jess, but if the assault case he's talking about against Dank actually proceeds and the players win, I can't see how the CAS convictions can stand. How could the payers be guilty of taking a banned substance when they were given it without their knowledge or consent, which is effectively what the assault argument is going to have to be.

However, getting the assault charge to stick...and having the case heard and all appeals exhausted is likely to extend a fair bit into the period of suspension anyway. It might, however, make a difference to the AFL Commission's decision as to what to do with Jobe's Brownlow win.

Irrespective of anything else, I hope the assault case proceeds. There needs to be a much higher level of accountability for charlatans people who work with supplements of questionable value and unknown longterm effects.

It comes down to the responsibilties o c the players, they can claim they have been assaulted by Dank as he injected them with things that werent not banned as he said, but they didnt check with ASADA so in the eyes of WADA they agreed to by injected with Thymosin, which they did, and just because Dank said it was not banned doesnt matter. The other unknown drugs would also count towards any potential charge, things like the horse drug

On 28 January 2016 at 6:08 AM, Jaded said:

The only thing I'm interested in now, is how do we keep Melksham fit and ready until next September?

November.

Just now, bing181 said:

November.

he can start training back at club 2 months before suspension ends, so september (i think)

5 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

he can start training back at club 2 months before suspension ends, so september (i think)

He will be a valuable asset on the track to support his teamates finals campaign.

7 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

How could the payers be guilty of taking a banned substance when they were given it without their knowledge or consent, which is effectively what the assault argument is going to have to be.

They consented to Thymosin.

They didn't check what it actually was, and hid it from the club doctor.

Not a leg to stand on, assault charge or not.

Also, the "charge Dank with assault" notion is trying to get the players to fall through the cracks between sports law and civil law, where the onus and level of proof are not the same. Even proving they were deliberately misled doesn't get them past the "you are responsible for what goes into your body" part of sports law/WADA code, Dank or no Dank.

Mr Dank must have been positively beaming as "his responsibility players" cruised out onto the ground in 2013 knowing how much bigger than the opposition they were, knowing how much longer they would be able to last than the opposition. The players themselves felt good because they knew they looked good. The opposition knew they looked really good too. Yes it was all good.

The only question I have at the moment is, if the Bombers are so good to behold why can't we see those treasured replays of 2013 just one more time, to feast our eyes on those poor souls, so their friends and rellies can see them in "action" again. Just where are those valued replays. 

33 minutes ago, america de cali said:

He will be a valuable asset on the track to support his teamates finals campaign.

He's irrelevant

From Ancient Tiger on BF (tonight) talking about a phone call he had from a mate: "Dank did not say they were PEDs. He just told him the peptides he was giving them. He actually told him they were permitted substances. It was only after my friend asked me if I knew anything about these peptides that I found out that they were banned. I just performed an ASADA check at home. I emailed my friend back this information - an email I still hold today - time/date stamped March 2012. He rang Dank immediately, who paused on the phone and then in typical Dank fashion, said he never said such a thing. I don't have to spell anything else out in public as this information is available to the public already. It is in the CAS report if you care to read it.

 ... I might be a doctor but my friend definitely isn't. It is one of the reasons he asked me about these peptides. He had no idea what they were and back in March 2012, nobody outside of the bodybuilding industry and drug dopers knew what they were. We are all experts now but back then it was very different."

Dank knew exactly what he was dealing with. Still does

9 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Dank knew exactly what he was dealing with. Still does

I like this post. You could be referring to (a) illegal peptides, (b) convicted felons and other assorted individuals who make compounds (c) Essendon Football Club senior staff (d) the AFL...and you'd be right.

Edited January 31, 20169 yr by La Dee-vina Comedia
Added option (d)

Of course, the thing that Dank isn't dealing with.....is a full deck !!

16 hours ago, willmoy said:

Mr Dank must have been positively beaming as "his responsibility players" cruised out onto the ground in 2013 knowing how much bigger than the opposition they were, knowing how much longer they would be able to last than the opposition. The players themselves felt good because they knew they looked good. The opposition knew they looked really good too. Yes it was all good.

The only question I have at the moment is, if the Bombers are so good to behold why can't we see those treasured replays of 2013 just one more time, to feast our eyes on those poor souls, so their friends and rellies can see them in "action" again. Just where are those valued replays. 

 

 

Essendon v Collingwood, ANZAC day 2013.

 

 

Nothing went wrong at Essendon : Dank

Ah yes, the stalwart of idiocy that keeps on giving 

"“I don’t think anything went wrong at Essendon,” Dank told 3RRR’s Party Show.

“I think the problem was that, when a certain amount of pressure was applied from certain members at the top of the AFL chain, the Essendon Football Club had to remain, I guess, within the bear claws of the AFL instead of having the courage to stand up.”"

I think this bozo actually believes his own rhetoric. I dont think many other so though !!

This gem ....

"As for what was given to players, which the CAS found was likely to be banned substance Thymosin beta-4, Dank said the suggestion that it was performance-enhancing was “laughable”.

“(ASADA needs to) go back to kindergarten,” he declared.

“I believe that the supplements program was a good program. It was certainly robust in governance. It provided a small cog in a much, much bigger wheel.”"

Enjoy the read folks......hilarious stuff. You'd reckon it was  'spoof'  created by the guys from Frontline or The Games

He'll trip up eventually.

The AFL's Integrity Training Video

 

 

 

Heppel at a KIA event tonight...

Problems?

 

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-01/suspended-don-steps-out

 

Kia obviously major sponsor of essendon but apparently Dysons personal sponsor too...

Edited February 1, 20169 yr by biggestred

3 minutes ago, biggestred said:

Heppel at a KIA event tonight...

Problems?

Was just reading that.

"Kia is a major sponsor of Essendon"

next paragrah

"The banned players are not permitted to take part in any official club activities while serving their suspensions"

Sounds like a Kia event, not an Essendon one. But you'd like to think somebody checked. 

If it's OK, I look forward to seeing Jake Melksham at all sorts of events put on by Melbourne's sponsors.

8 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Nothing went wrong at Essendon : Dank

Ah yes, the stalwart of idiocy that keeps on giving 

"“I don’t think anything went wrong at Essendon,” Dank told 3RRR’s Party Show.

“I think the problem was that, when a certain amount of pressure was applied from certain members at the top of the AFL chain, the Essendon Football Club had to remain, I guess, within the bear claws of the AFL instead of having the courage to stand up.”"

I think this bozo actually believes his own rhetoric. I dont think many other so though !!

This gem ....

"As for what was given to players, which the CAS found was likely to be banned substance Thymosin beta-4, Dank said the suggestion that it was performance-enhancing was “laughable”.

“(ASADA needs to) go back to kindergarten,” he declared.

“I believe that the supplements program was a good program. It was certainly robust in governance. It provided a small cog in a much, much bigger wheel.”"

Enjoy the read folks......hilarious stuff. You'd reckon it was  'spoof'  created by the guys from Frontline or The Games

He'll trip up eventually.

" the suggestion that it's performance enhancing is laughable "

So he isn't denying that they took a banned supplement, just suggesting that it shouldn't be Banned? lol whether it's performance enhancing or not is irrelevant if they didn't take it, Mr Dank.

4 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Sounds like a Kia event, not an Essendon one. But you'd like to think somebody checked. 

If it's OK, I look forward to seeing Jake Melksham at all sorts of events put on by Melbourne's sponsors.

"So how do you find the MF club Jake?"

 

"uhm I have very little idea I have not seen them for months".

2 minutes ago, Peter Griffen said:

" the suggestion that it's performance enhancing is laughable "

So he isn't denying that they took a banned supplement, just suggesting that it shouldn't be Banned? lol whether it's performance enhancing or not is irrelevant if they didn't take it, Mr Dank.

Conversely, if they didn't enhance performance, what was the point of giving them to the players?

13 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Sounds like a Kia event, not an Essendon one. But you'd like to think somebody checked. 

If it's OK, I look forward to seeing Jake Melksham at all sorts of events put on by Melbourne's sponsors.

Essendon..... Rules.......not a match !!!