19 minutes ago, Peter Griffen said:

Anyone else get the feeling this might become a much bigger issue in 10 years time when the players start showing some serious side effects of the experimental drugs and drug combinations.

 

I mean dank thought they were race horses.

Yes. I've heard people in the pharmaceutical and medical spheres expressing amazement that players were given off label, not approved for human use, drugs, in doses above any known testing regime (where such even existed), and "stacked" (ie, in combinations).

Especially when one Dank patient in an NRL club, who was in remission after a bout of cancer, was given a growth hormone.

Which is why it was very strange to see EFC holding the line that "but we know that none of it was harmful", and not going full steam after Dank to demand exactly what he gave.

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-player-ban-is-laughable-and-based-on-no-evidence-says-stephen-dank/story-fni5f6kw-1227706358387

 

Dank. 

 

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/essendon-verdict-players-not-at-fault-says-bill-shorten-20160112-gm42j8.html

It is disgraceful that the Leader of the Opposition (our alternative Prime Minister) is effectively undermining CAS's decision, without any consideration for the clean sportspeople that represent our country. 

He clearly hasn't read the judgement so appears a bit of an uninformed dill!

 

Distilled calumny

 

That is not the import of what I heard him say

 

" Stalin was a hero.... "                               as a quote

" Stalin was a hero to many people "         as the full quote

 

Dog-whistle reaction to Susan Ley's ridiculous assertion that this mess is the result of Labor's "political interference"

 

Hird thought he could shortcut HIS way to a flag. Look at where it has got the Bombers. Thanks Jim.

Dank is really annoying me, if he had smoking gun evidence that cleared him or EFC he would have used it, he's just an egotistical [censored] who is so far in over his head that reality has become a very strange and distant idea, and James Hird is also there.

Aiden Riley in the mix for top up players for Essendon 

If Melksham is a drug cheat l don't want him at my club

At the risk of sounding positive,I think we might be able to beat Essendon this year.

3 minutes ago, Emerald said:

At the risk of sounding positive,I think we might be able to beat Essendon this year.

That is what we thought last year and the fixed us up without much trouble in the pre season game

Utmost respect for Tim Watson. To man up and do the news and the special on now would be extremely tuff.  Ultimate professional

Having now found time to read the complete judgement, and read most of the posts on here, I have to say what a fine job CAS have done, together with WADA/ASADA in all this, especially McDevitt who held the line in spite of incredible vitriol and personal abuse. It also shows large sections of the Australian Press and the AFL in an extremely poor light. CAS/WADA investigation was clearly very thorough, and to have it all laid out in such stark reality, just demonstrated how scandalous it all was. In the end they had no choice about the verdict and the penalty. 

The question is what next. No doubt there will be a parade of legal action from all sides which will keep the courts busy for some time and leave Essendon, the AFL, and indeed the game itself very much worse off than it would have been had Hird fallen on his sword in 2013.

Whether WADA/ASADA now move against Hird is an open question. I know in the comments post the judgement ASADA said this case is now closed, but that could simply mean the case against the players is now closed and not open to further appeal. It does not necessarily preclude further action against Hird and others. In any case, I think it is possible that at least some of the offended parties will launch legal action against their former coach. 

Edited January 12, 20169 yr by Dees2014

Mark Jamar might be a good fit for Essendon for a year.

4 minutes ago, Dees2014 said:

Having now found time to read the complete judgement, and read most of the posts on here, I have to say what a fine job CAS have done, together with WADA/ASADA in all this, especially McDevitt who held the line in spite of incredible vitriol and personal abuse. It also shows large sections of the Australian Press and the AFL in an extremely poor light. CAS/WADA investigation was clearly very thorough, and to have it all laid out in such stark reality, just demonstrated how scandalous it all was. In the end they had no choice about the verdict and the penalty. 

The question is what next. No doubt there will be a parade of legal action from all sides which will keep the courts busy for some time and leave Essendon, the AFL, and indeed the game itself very much worse off than it would have been had Hird fallen on his sword in 2013.

Whether WADA/ASADA now move against Hird is an open question. I know in the comments post the judgement ASADA said this case is now closed, but that could simply mean the case against the players is now closed and not open to further appeal. It does not necessarily preclude further action against Hird and others. In any case, I think it is possible that at least some of the offended parties will launch legal action against their former coach. 

They have a big scalp and know that no one will employ him again.

Why bother with the exception of a few people the world knows what he is.

At the very least John Worsfold will have to earn his money next year 

2 minutes ago, Crompton's the man said:

At the very least John Worsfold will have to earn his money next year 

I actually think it will be easier for him next year

Zero expectations.

Ever loss is accounted for by " we was robbed WADA did us in".

If they pull of a couple of wins he looks good achieving them with a seconds side.

2 hours ago, Hiram Cowfreak said:

If Melksham is a drug cheat l don't want him at my club

Well, apparently he is.

 

6 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Well, apparently he is.

 

Yep. There is now no doubt.

Just re minds us of how far the morals of football clubs stretch

Edited January 12, 20169 yr by old dee

17 minutes ago, old dee said:

They have a big scalp and know that no one will employ him again.

Why bother with the exception of a few people the world knows what he is.

Because the people primarily responsible for this monstrosity need to be punished.  Hird was the originator and principle promoter of this program, in my view far more responsible for it than any of the players, but to get to him there first needed to be proof that the violations actually occurred. Now that that has been established, it is imperative that those truly responsible are tried and punished. 

2 minutes ago, Dees2014 said:

Because the people primarily responsible for this monstrosity need to be punished.  Hird was the originator and principle promoter of this program, in my view far more responsible for it than any of the players, but to get to him there first needed to be proof that the violations actually occurred. Now that that has been established, it is imperative that those truly responsible are tried and punished. 

In order to keep another dees supporter alive please do not hold your breath

Robbo seems to be turning on the bombers and afl a bit so far on 360

1 minute ago, Gorgoroth said:

Robbo seems to be turning on the bombers and afl a bit so far on 360

He also says that there were four judges hearing the case and the decision was split 2-2. He's a journalist?

 

18 minutes ago, old dee said:

I actually think it will be easier for him next year

Zero expectations.

Ever loss is accounted for by " we was robbed WADA did us in".

If they pull of a couple of wins he looks good achieving them with a seconds side.

It didn't help Dennis Pagan 'old dee'...he will get a honeymoon period but the fans will soon turn.

Full just said this finding may have been a 10-20% chance after the AFL tribunal. He is clearly delusional about what has happened and what was going to happen. Idiot!

Whately asking hard and well thought out questions.

Robbo asking questions that are all in documents that Gil keeps shutting him down on...