On 18 February 2016 at 6:32 PM, monoccular said:

Yes.

Fine if he forces his way in - but this coaching / selection / managing group is not going to "gift" him or anyone else games.

So - if he is ready, fire!!!!!

The coaches have to be really strong with regards to the gifting of games. Grimes copped it last year, Watts was introduced to the concept, as long as it's consistent.

41 minutes ago, mo64 said:

 

Oh, and ProDee. Your initial bagging of Oliver was written at 9.15am, yet you blamed it on the reds. We all enjoy a red with our breakfast.

You've obviously never had a good red.

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

He lives in Canberra...

Btw, did he ever answer your post re his assertion that Hogan is a mercenary ?

Not sure it was RFPC that accused Hogan of being a mercenary, think it was the Nut but could be wrong.  Don't care really.

44 minutes ago, mo64 said:

And ProDee's post wasn't peronal?

 

There's a bit of history mo. 

On 2/17/2016 at 3:55 PM, ILLDieADemon said:

We don't want our first year players jumping straight into the middle from round one. Finally we are good enough to give our first year mids time to develop in the VFL. 

Sheeit I do! I want him to force his way into this team round 1 and sweep all before him!

We haven't had a young high draft pick in years who comes straight into the team and tears the opposition a new one!

Very welcome to the Club Clayton Oliver!!

Given his very good form Friday I think if he's ready then so be it play him in the NAB cup games and if he continues showing the form he did Friday then what a tremendous shot in the arm for all Demon supporters, his family and himself! IF PICKED ROUND 1 

" COMETH THE HOUR COMETH THE MAN "

Luv this bloke already 

I am tipping that "Mini" Lingy will play Round one

he will demand a spot and play pretty well. 

During the year he will be managed and rested

but Round one he will be out of control!!

look at the size of those shoulders and arms already!!

25 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I am tipping that "Mini" Lingy will play Round one

 

 

I am tipping you will be right.  

Think it'll depend on what fd thinks after a run in the NAB.

5 hours ago, ProDee said:

He lives in Canberra...

Btw, did he ever answer your post re his assertion that Hogan is a mercenary ?

I don't see BBs posts. Mainly because of reasons like what you are referring to - getting paid a commensurate wage and playing in a winning team is accusing someone of being a mercenary?

Good lord.

3 hours ago, picket fence said:

Sheeit I do! I want him to force his way into this team round 1 and sweep all before him

We haven't had a young high draft pick in years who comes straight into the team and tears the opposition a new one!

Didn't we have the quintessential young, high draft pick who tore the opposition (multiple) new one(s) last year?

On 18/2/2016 at 2:12 PM, rjay said:

1 hour ago, fndee said:

Didn't we have the quintessential young, high draft pick who tore the opposition (multiple) new one(s) last year?

 

two if you count Hogan along with Brayshaw

Viney didn't mess around either

19 hours ago, Curry & Beer said:

two if you count Hogan along with Brayshaw

Viney didn't mess around either

I always thought GWS should've bidded on Jack Viney. We landed him at a bargain pick in the 20's, he was always going to be a top 3 player of that draft.

5 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I am tipping that "Mini" Lingy will play Round one

"Underling" maybe?

1 hour ago, small but forward said:

"Underling" maybe?

I like it!!

1 hour ago, KingDingAling said:

I always thought GWS should've bidded on Jack Viney. We landed him at a bargain pick in the 20's, he was always going to be a top 3 player of that draft.

Part of that 'mythical' deal we had with the giants perhaps

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Part of that 'mythical' deal we had with the giants perhaps

 

It wasn't mythical; it's simply logical.

If GWS were to bid on Viney & we were forced to take him, we wouldn't have had the draft free to on-trade to them later in the pre-arranged deal to get Hogan.

Why would they proactively attempt to scupper the trade they wanted?

19 hours ago, Mach5 said:

 

It wasn't mythical; it's simply logical.

If GWS were to bid on Viney & we were forced to take him, we wouldn't have had the draft free to on-trade to them later in the pre-arranged deal to get Hogan.

Why would they proactively attempt to scupper the trade they wanted?

Because Viney would've been worth bidding on.

We still would've did the Hogan trade IMO.

It is only speculation to suggest there was some sort of deal with GWS not to bid on Viney.

53 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

Because Viney would've been worth bidding on.

We still would've did the Hogan trade IMO.

It is only speculation to suggest there was some sort of deal with GWS not to bid on Viney.

And speculation is all it will ever be, as it's a little too draft tampering-ish for anyone to ever officially say it happened. It resonates well with me though and I think it did.

3 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

I always thought GWS should've bidded on Jack Viney. We landed him at a bargain pick in the 20's, he was always going to be a top 3 player of that draft.

interesting that they have Whitfield (51 games), but have traded out picks 2 and 3 from that draft, not getting much in return for them either..  O'Rourke and PLowman only played 29 games between them in 3 seasons at GWS. Then we took Toumpas at 4, what an absolutely stinking top 4 of that draft

I wish they had bid on him, we would have got him instead of Toumpas at 4 and therefore used our mid-20s pick on some other kid.. in other words, the steal we got with Viney was immediately nullified by picking Toumpas. Sigh.

1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

 

It wasn't mythical; it's simply logical.

If GWS were to bid on Viney & we were forced to take him, we wouldn't have had the draft free to on-trade to them later in the pre-arranged deal to get Hogan.

Why would they proactively attempt to scupper the trade they wanted?

Sorry...you missed my humour.

I don't think anything was mythical. Many did. There was obviously (IMHO ) a gentleman's agreement here

We deal well with GWS

9 minutes ago, Curry & Beer said:

interesting that they have Whitfield (51 games), but have traded out picks 2 and 3 from that draft, not getting much in return for them either..  O'Rourke and PLowman only played 29 games between them in 3 seasons at GWS. Then we took Toumpas at 4, what an absolutely stinking top 4 of that draft

I wish they had bid on him, we would have got him instead of Toumpas at 4 and therefore used our mid-20s pick on some other kid.. in other words, the steal we got with Viney was immediately nullified by picking Toumpas. Sigh.

GWS have had some shocking picks but they seem to get ignored by he footy fraternity. Much more fun to pick on melbourne

4 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

GWS have had some shocking picks but they seem to get ignored by he footy fraternity. Much more fun to pick on melbourne

Gws are no threat to the old boys club.  Sounds silly but I honestly believe some in positions of influence in footy just don't want to see us lift off. Bad news for them

The Giants recruiting imo has been every bit as bad as MFC or Carlton, SOS is talked about as some recruiting genius but if you look over the players he has picked, a lot haven't come on at all or have been traded and the % of successful choices for top 20 selections is so low it's scary.

Especially when you consider a lot of those picks like Boyd and Whitfield were seen as obvious choices, so basically all others have failed

 

 

19 hours ago, Peter Griffen said:

The Giants recruiting imo has been every bit as bad as MFC or Carlton, SOS is talked about as some recruiting genius but if you look over the players he has picked, a lot haven't come on at all or have been traded and the % of successful choices for top 20 selections is so low it's scary.

Especially when you consider a lot of those picks like Boyd and Whitfield were seen as obvious choices, so basically all others have failed

 

 

GWS had 11 picks in the first round of the 2011 draft. It was a very substandard draft (if you go look at it, not many have fired a shot, very weak draft). But, to rub salt into the wounds, GWS on-traded two of their better selections (Adams and Tyson). Unfortunately for GWS they followed up the next year by taking O'rourke and Plowman ahead of Stringer, Wines, McRae. Both drafts weren't strong at all, but to on-trade two of your better picks, and to overlook some quality kids the next year. It isn't good drafting.

 

Edited February 21, 20169 yr by KingDingAling

15 hours ago, Peter Griffen said:

The Giants recruiting imo has been every bit as bad as MFC or Carlton, SOS is talked about as some recruiting genius but if you look over the players he has picked, a lot haven't come on at all or have been traded and the % of successful choices for top 20 selections is so low it's scary.

Especially when you consider a lot of those picks like Boyd and Whitfield were seen as obvious choices, so basically all others have failed

 

 

GWS made the mistake of recruiting players from the same junior club, or the same state, as a way of attempting to alleviate the "go home" factor. They should have backed themselves, and taken best available.

 

Having said that, imagine their midfield with Adams and Treloar back in the squad. we would be touching ourselves like crazy if our midfield had as much talent. They really should have a cracker side this season.

 

Edited February 22, 20169 yr by faultydet
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