4 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

Chris could not take a mark above his head to save his life, it was a chest or drop.

Buddy Franklin the same. 

1 minute ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Buddy Franklin the same. 

This could be the first time in his career that Dawsey has been compared to Buddy.

51 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Chris Dawe used to get to the right spots too

The most wooden pair of hands I can ever recall seeing in the AFL

But a great kick.

 

13 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Has Weideman shown he was worthy of a top 10 draft pick? 

No.

A top 10 key forward draft pick heading into his 6th season of footy should be assuming the number 1 key forward who attracts the opposition's premier defender, ie - Darcy Moore or Harris Andrews.

And we as supporters should have complete confidence that a highly fancied top 10 KPF draft pick will absolutely thrive in that role by season 6.

The fact that we got Ben Brown kind of sums up where the Weid is at the moment. A handy second or third KPF but, no where near ready to be "the man".

Edited November 25, 20204 yr by Bring-Back-Powell

Just now, Bring-Back-Powell said:

 

No.

 

not even close

28 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

 

No.

A top 10 key forward draft pick heading into his 6th season of footy should be assuming the number 1 key forward who attracts the opposition's premier defender, ie - Darcy Moore or Harris Andrews.

And we as supporters should have complete confidence that a highly fancied top 10 KPF draft pick will absolutely thrive in that role by season 6.

The fact that we got Ben Brown kind of sums up where the Weid is at the moment. A handy second or third KPF but, no where near ready to be "the man".

So how do we score JT for this pick?  Weideman certainly showed enough as an 18yo, but hadn’t progressed as quickly or as much as projected.  I think the jury is still deliberating.  

27 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

 

No.

A top 10 key forward draft pick heading into his 6th season of footy should be assuming the number 1 key forward who attracts the opposition's premier defender, ie - Darcy Moore or Harris Andrews.

And we as supporters should have complete confidence that a highly fancied top 10 KPF draft pick will absolutely thrive in that role by season 6.

The fact that we got Ben Brown kind of sums up where the Weid is at the moment. A handy second or third KPF but, no where near ready to be "the man".

If you were Buckley or Fagan, who would you send your best tall defender to from our 2020 team?
Weideman was our best tall forward and would demand the best defender.

I'd say our acquisition of Brown has more to do with Tom McDonald playing poorly than Weideman.
The conventional wisdom is a team needs two KPFs - Brown is there to partner Weid.

 

3 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

So how do we score JT for this pick?  Weideman certainly showed enough as an 18yo, but hadn’t progressed as quickly or as much as projected.  I think the jury is still deliberating.  

It's most certainly still deliberating but he gets a resounding credit in the bank for picking Oliver in that same draft.

At the moment JT overpaid but in fairness Weid isn't yet in his mid-late 20's  which is the prime years of an AFL player. We can make the final judgement in a few years.

7 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

So how do we score JT for this pick?  Weideman certainly showed enough as an 18yo, but hadn’t progressed as quickly or as much as projected.  I think the jury is still deliberating.  

I agree.

When you think of the KPF taken over the past few years including Tom Boyd (although his Norm Smith level performance in the GF alone probably means he was a success), Jonathon Patten, Paddy McCartin and our very own Jack Watts he compares favourably.

Probably Harry McKay taken at pick 10 in 2016 is the best comparison. Looks the goods but hasn’t quite put it all together yet.

Jury still out imv.

Weideman's 2020, holds up well or even exceeds his draft class.

(2) Schache     2 goals.   2 games. 
(9) Weideman  19 goals.  13 games. 
(10) McKay.    21 goals.   13 games.   
(14) Hipwood.    24 goals.   19 games. 
(16) Himmelberg.  15 goals    16 games. 

We're probably marking him harshly because he showed so much at the end of 2018, and had a disappointing 2019.
His progression this year has been on par with his peers, some of whom are very overrated when you look at their actual output.

 

4 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Weideman's 2020, holds up well or even exceeds his draft class.

(2) Schache     2 goals.   2 games. 
(9) Weideman  19 goals.  13 games. 
(10) McKay.    21 goals.   13 games.   
(14) Hipwood.    24 goals.   19 games. 
(16) Himmelberg.  15 goals    16 games. 

We're probably marking him harshly because he showed so much at the end of 2018, and had a disappointing 2019.
His progression this year has been on par with his peers, some of whom are very overrated when you look at their actual output.

 

 

 

Hipwood is the one for mine that people rave about but rarely puts it together. Kicked 5 freakish goals against us one year if I recall.

Probably the one I like out of those is Himmelberg

Edited November 25, 20204 yr by jnrmac

2 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Hipwood is the one for mine that people rave about but rarely puts it together. Kicked 5 freakish goals against us one year if I recall.

Probably the one I like out of those is Himmelberg

Personally, I've always been a McKay fan - really wanted him in his draft year.

Spot on about Hipwood though.  There's a lot of Fritsch about him - does so much right and pulls of the freakish things, but his finishing sucks the life out of the team.  It's tough when the defenders and midfielders work so hard to get it to them, then they miss what they should get.  Frisch kicked 22.24 this year.

6 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Weideman's 2020, holds up well or even exceeds his draft class.

(2) Schache     2 goals.   2 games. 
(9) Weideman  19 goals.  13 games. 
(10) McKay.    21 goals.   13 games.   
(14) Hipwood.    24 goals.   19 games. 
(16) Himmelberg.  15 goals    16 games. 

We're probably marking him harshly because he showed so much at the end of 2018, and had a disappointing 2019.
His progression this year has been on par with his peers, some of whom are very overrated when you look at their actual output.

 

Good stats there.

I'm surprised McKay only kicked 2 more goals than Weid, as I though McKay had a much better year than Weid.

Hipwood is over-rated except for the game he kicked 5 against us in 5 minutes in 2019.

Schache has been a poor selection pick 2.

Himmelberg had a poor year by his standards but is a good player.

 

 

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

It's most certainly still deliberating but he gets a resounding credit in the bank for picking Oliver in that same draft.

At the moment JT overpaid but in fairness Weid isn't yet in his mid-late 20's  which is the prime years of an AFL player. We can make the final judgement in a few years.

A few years surely you are joking Powelly. It must be this year in my opinion

or will we just accept a poor return until he retires  ignominiously

2 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

 

No.

A top 10 key forward draft pick heading into his 6th season of footy should be assuming the number 1 key forward who attracts the opposition's premier defender, ie - Darcy Moore or Harris Andrews.

And we as supporters should have complete confidence that a highly fancied top 10 KPF draft pick will absolutely thrive in that role by season 6.

The fact that we got Ben Brown kind of sums up where the Weid is at the moment. A handy second or third KPF but, no where near ready to be "the man".

Would've been nice if the club had suitable development coaches for someone of Weid's potential. 

Edited November 25, 20204 yr by Ham

weid quite literally had the #1 key defender for the majority of the year

he and mckay are tracking remarkably similarly, yet everyone is hot to trot for the bluebagger

the biggest discrepancy between the pair is that mckay has a higher average number of turnovers, clangers, and marks, and a far worse disposal efficiency

5 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

weid quite literally had the #1 key defender for the majority of the year

he and mckay are tracking remarkably similarly, yet everyone is hot to trot for the bluebagger

the biggest discrepancy between the pair is that mckay has a higher average number of turnovers, clangers, and marks, and a far worse disposal efficiency

I'm no where near hot to trot for Harry

Similarly disappointing in my opinion. Anyway  harry doesn't play for the Dees and hasn't progressed.

4 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Weideman's 2020, holds up well or even exceeds his draft class.

(2) Schache     2 goals.   2 games. 
(9) Weideman  19 goals.  13 games. 
(10) McKay.    21 goals.   13 games.   
(14) Hipwood.    24 goals.   19 games. 
(16) Himmelberg.  15 goals    16 games. 

We're probably marking him harshly because he showed so much at the end of 2018, and had a disappointing 2019.
His progression this year has been on par with his peers, some of whom are very overrated when you look at their actual output.

 

Interesting statement and another good way of looking at the Weed conundrum. Whilst progress is slow for him, he is worth another round of tolerance at his age, I guess. 

 

Do the Math, If Weeds improves by virtue of personal confidence and good coaching, not to mention Brown BEING by his side and kicks 30-35 goals and Brown kicks 35-40.. "Winner winner Chicken Dinner" we will be well on the way.. This also does not count the contributions of Fritscake, Kossy and others!! Happy Days!!

Edited November 25, 20204 yr by picket fence

2 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Interesting statement and another good way of looking at the Weed conundrum. Whilst progress is slow for him, he is worth another round of tolerance at his age, I guess. 

 

Also worth noting that in 2020 McKay was surrounded with McGovern & Casboult taking 2 key defenders and in previous years add in Charlie Curnow whereas Weid was often the no. 1 forward having to deal with the no. 1 & no 2 defenders in most games. Yet he still stacked up very well v  McKay & the others. The forward line has to perform better in 2021. Surely! Go Weid. 

9 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

 

No.

A top 10 key forward draft pick heading into his 6th season of footy should be assuming the number 1 key forward who attracts the opposition's premier defender, ie - Darcy Moore or Harris Andrews.

And we as supporters should have complete confidence that a highly fancied top 10 KPF draft pick will absolutely thrive in that role by season 6.

The fact that we got Ben Brown kind of sums up where the Weid is at the moment. A handy second or third KPF but, no where near ready to be "the man".

He had surgery in both hips one year which significantly impacted that year, so in my view the 6 year comment is harsh - each to their own.

For mine he is a player who is good on his day, but doesn't have enough of them. Probably gets in the best player list about 3 times a season, has several games in the handy, useful category but also goes missing in several games. With Brown coming in to take some pressure off it's time for him to step up. I hope he does but if not where does that leave him ?

Sam is an honest worker who has put a string of good to very good games together which was in the year !  2018 and in football terms that is long ago.  A long long long time past. 

He doesn't have to change his game style  much however he has to play with some sought of aggression  CRASH AND BASH like get out of my way i will bowl you over style knock them over and bring the ball down at least as hard as you can to our crumbers !

That would count as a possession a valuable one at that and with an opportunity when the ball is loose.

What is so hard Sammy ?  You should be at your prime.  Enough of this so called of a work in process.  

It is time to deliver !  I know you can.

 

On 11/25/2020 at 10:38 AM, Better days ahead said:

The most wooden pair of hands I can ever recall seeing in the AFL

But a great kick.

Dawes' abilities suited Malthouse's game plan perfectly. He could run and get to contest after contest. He could always halve those contests and where he couldn't mark it he was able to control it to create a stoppage i.e. throw in.

This allowed Collingwood to play a stoppage game of kick long to the contest as a get out of defence, and also as a form of attack where the opposition zone had them covered i.e. instead of trying to beat the zone they were able to set up for a stoppage forward of centre.

Need tried this style with us but the game was moving past it tactically and it was the polar opposite to our Bailey era attack, so it was a terrible option for our list. Dawes was never really able to reinvent himself as a forward, largely due to those concrete hands!

On Weid he has kicked reasonable amount of goals and his stats are ok vs his peers.

I think his problem hasn't been taking the number 1 defender, its been taking all of the defenders, as the only forward (literally, or figuratively when TMac was playing). When this happens he struggles to get to the contests because he is being blocked and bumped etc. by the additional tall defenders. We don't seem to kick it "to him" very well, instead kicking it to the forward line and hoping he gets there.