in Hunt,Fitzy:- Hunt is Xpress some of his slower teamates will have to carry strobe lights to spot him. Fitzy defence/ruck could add versatility to the side.

out:- take your pick,any two snails will do.

I'm not sure that Hunt would be a good idea. He's only like 3 games back from a long term injury and we are all raving about him. All the young kids like stretch, ANB etc had to play well in the VFL for at least a solid month before even being considered for the AFL team. Hunt has only shown glimpses in two games and we are thinking about giving him a game. I'd say Roosy would want to see him play at least a few more good games before being considered.

Saints faves 1.83 to 1.95

Line is at 1.5 points!

Clearly the bookies are tipping another one to go right down to the wire

We got very little again from our bottom 5, most noticeably JKH, ANB & Stretch. Brayshaw was quiet too, and Lumumba is clearly weighed down by his exorbitant pay packet because he was atrocious yet again.

I would play Grimes and Toumpas, and Fitzpatrick will be required if McDonald plays forward again. Any of those listed above could come out with little impact.

Do you get pleasure from rubbishing players? Disgraceful taunt against Lumumba

Didn't Roos say he's being groomed as a midfielder and not a small forward?

I think he's very coachable, which would be why Roos likes him so much. We've had far too many players that don't listen to basic instructions, and they all get shown the door at the end of the year.

How do we know JKH is very coachable? Has that been said somewhere?

Do you get pleasure from rubbishing players? Disgraceful taunt against Lumumba

That one was a rather inoffensive post to react to in relative terms. I think Harry's best defensive effort for the day was a falcon, and if by weighed down it's inferred not being able to get off the ground then I can't recall too many marks against limited opposition. If he's not providing rebound and run then his worth to the team is currently very low.

Edit: Just had a look - stats last weekend are not flattering. 1 mark - 8 disposals - 3 clangers. (AFL match center).

That one was a rather inoffensive post to react to in relative terms. I think Harry's best defensive effort for the day was a falcon, and if by weighed down it's inferred not being able to get off the ground then I can't recall too many marks against limited opposition. If he's not providing rebound and run then his worth to the team is currently very low.

Edit: Just had a look - stats last weekend are not flattering. 1 mark - 8 disposals - 3 clangers. (AFL match center).

I think Lumumba spent a lot of the game on McStay who ended up with 5 touches and no scoring shots. By playing tall alongside Garland it allowed McDonald to go forward and give us the extra tall that seemed to do wonders for Dawes and Hogan.

Lumumba hasn't been great, but without him on Sunday we might've had to play Fitzy who could've reverted to tunnel ball at any stage and cost us the game.

If our deep defenders aren't touching the ball but their men aren't either then I'd consider that a pretty good result.

Interesting statistic I'm shamelessly stealing from BigFooty:

From 2003-2015 St Kilda has won 24 matches at the MCG.
Last team Saints beat a team that wasn't Melbourne was Carlton in 2011.

Saints faves 1.83 to 1.95

Line is at 1.5 points!

Clearly the bookies are tipping another one to go right down to the wire

If Roo is out and they are the odds they're worth a look.

That one was a rather inoffensive post to react to in relative terms. I think Harry's best defensive effort for the day was a falcon, and if by weighed down it's inferred not being able to get off the ground then I can't recall too many marks against limited opposition. If he's not providing rebound and run then his worth to the team is currently very low.

Edit: Just had a look - stats last weekend are not flattering. 1 mark - 8 disposals - 3 clangers. (AFL match center).

Basing your opinion on stats hey....

Clearly H needs to lift, but anyone suggesting the only player we have who tries to get the worst run and spread team in the league running and spreading gets dropped is only judging his contribution by stats and not watching and understanding.

Riewoldt is a certain starter.

If he didn't break down last week, why would he not be selected for a winnable game against us?

Riewoldt is a certain starter.

If he didn't break down last week, why would he not be selected for a winnable game against us?

Not sure he's a certain starter but happy for him to play, we need to perform against the best players.

I think Lumumba spent a lot of the game on McStay who ended up with 5 touches and no scoring shots. By playing tall alongside Garland it allowed McDonald to go forward and give us the extra tall that seemed to do wonders for Dawes and Hogan.

Lumumba hasn't been great, but without him on Sunday we might've had to play Fitzy who could've reverted to tunnel ball at any stage and cost us the game.

If our deep defenders aren't touching the ball but their men aren't either then I'd consider that a pretty good result.

I agree with your post, but I think the bashing of Fitzy incident was a little unnecessary, he could have played on a young developing forward kept him to one handball and got him subbed before 3/4 time if we want to apply balance to your post also.

That said I don't know how many games we will be able to get away with only really playing one tall defender in Dunn with the others being midsizers, it worked against the young and inexperienced forward line of Brisbane, but probably wouldnt against most, well the good teams at least.

Saints faves 1.83 to 1.95

Line is at 1.5 points!

Clearly the bookies are tipping another one to go right down to the wire

I feel so much happier when we go into a game not being the favourite. I guess it's because I'm more able to rationalise losing than when we go into a game when we are expected to win.

Basing your opinion on stats hey....

Clearly H needs to lift, but anyone suggesting the only player we have who tries to get the worst run and spread team in the league running and spreading gets dropped is only judging his contribution by stats and not watching and understanding.

I don't recall saying he should get dropped. You also might notice the inclusion of stats was an edited afterthought. I based my opinion on watching the game and my understanding that his effort to get our run and spread going has been limited.

JKH should spend the rest of the year at Casey learning to take the first and best option rather than trying to do the flashy stuff.

In Hunt.

Be interesting to see what they do with Jamar.

I think thats a little harsh - it was his first game back at AFL after injury wasnt it? - rather someone that tries to take the game on and fails then someone that shows no effort (Howe).

I actually like the fact that he is willing to back himself and take the game on - he just needs to know his limitations (Tmac has improved here)

Jetta is someone he could learn off - he knows his limitations and takes appropriate risks giving us important run out of the backline.

I don't recall saying he should get dropped. You also might notice the inclusion of stats was an edited afterthought. I based my opinion on watching the game and my understanding that his effort to get our run and spread going has been limited.

His effort to run and spread has been far from limited. His ability to run and spread has been restricted somewhat by the fact he's the only one doing it. That's why he's so important to us, he's trying to get us moving, that's a vital thing for us going forward.

Lamumba was good on the weekend. scrappy game and he had a positive effect on most contests he was involved in. Watching at the game he was a vital cog in our dominant defence .

He showed class and poise in the 3rd quarter particularly to hit targets when others couldn't.

Toumpas is playing in the midfield at Casey and is still uncomfortable in contested situations. He is working really hard and shows vision ala when he handpassed to Grimes in space for that goal. At some point he should get another stint at senior level as part of that development. The idea is that eventually he will stay there as part of our best 22

And from the coach in his player assessment on Toumpas:

Toump’s link from mid-forward was good and he gave us some good ball use inside 50. He took two really courageous marks running back with the flight of the ball,

Courage isn't a problem for this kid. Also, he didn't play midfield on the weekend but high half forward, not a spot that I'd have thought suited him. He clearly lacks composure under pressure. And he's trying really hard. Hope he makes it.

And from the coach in his player assessment on Toumpas:

Courage isn't a problem for this kid. Also, he didn't play midfield on the weekend but high half forward, not a spot that I'd have thought suited him. He clearly lacks composure under pressure. And he's trying really hard. Hope he makes it.

That is all you can ask BB

Do you get pleasure from rubbishing players? Disgraceful taunt against Lumumba

8 touches, 1 mark, 1 tackle. I'm glad that meets your expectations for a guy who is probably in the top three highest paid players at the club.

Whatever. He had a bad game. It happens.

Has played an important role down back this year. Sure he hasn't been a standout but he has done enough. Solidifies the backline.

8 touches, 1 mark, 1 tackle. I'm glad that meets your expectations for a guy who is probably in the top three highest paid players at the club.

Criticising is one thing. Rubbishing (and insulting) players (and other posters) is another.

Riewoldt is a certain starter.

If he didn't break down last week, why would he not be selected for a winnable game against us?

Because he was limping very badly in the rooms after the game.

Because he was limping very badly in the rooms after the game.

And it was play that fund raiser for his sister at all costs.

The reason has now gone.