I would love to know what Dunny's instructions are for this play - is it just up to him whenever he feels like it or is there a certain situation he is instructed to do it?

And another secret is the looking left to right like a fairground laughing clown without the laugh when a player has NFI.

I am not sure as to why some posters criticised Dunne's predictability in the kick outs. We didn't make a mistake yesterday from the kick-outs.

Probably a small knock is that some of our mids/backs didn't work hard enough to make clear space to receive the kick in however Dunne on a few occasions went short to an unmarked man or if there was no other option bailed out long to the ruckman. The idea is with the bail out kick - at worst get it outbounds a kick and a half from goal and reset.

I thought we did it well - I don't care that the bail out was always to the right - that's where the ruckman was.

To me a long kick out always looks much better when you have a winning ruckman and mids - we haven't had that for a while. We did yesterday and that meant the bail out kick did come straight back into the forward 50 every time we kicked it out.

Edited June 22, 201510 yr by nutbean

It is medium-high risk for very-high reward.

The high reward is a fast break which only requires 3-4 players to push forward hard.

And we can counter the risk because our players in the D50 know that when we torp, they need to hit defensive positions immediately and man up in case it rebounds back. It shouldn't be a surprise to our defenders.

And the advantage is that of er do it once or twice each week, opposition will need to set up to defend it. And that means stretching their zones out further, rendering them less effective inside the D50.

As long as we pick the right options with the kick ins, and don't just do it because we can it is a great change up that creates confusion and doubt because standard defensive plans need to change.

The risk can be reduced and the reward increased if the kicker has the smarts to know when the time is right & when it isn't.

And if there's a target rather than just gaining yardage.

Another secret when a play is flapping their hand with a flat palm up and down it means "lets settle things down and take our time."

The same signal also means "turnover coming up".

I miss the Neeld are when Dean Terlich was taking kick outs

That was always fun

The benefit of this weeks torp is it was not directly up the middle of the ground so the risk it exposed was less than previous. It is pretty obvious to all when he lays the ball on the ground in goal square and then picks it up that is what he is about to do. As long as he picks the right time to do it and the placement does not expose us I think it should happen more often than current as it will lengthen the spots a team has to defend.

I am not sure as to why some posters criticised Dunne's predictability in the kick outs. We didn't make a mistake yesterday from the kick-outs.

Probably a small knock is that some of our mids/backs didn't work hard enough to make clear space to receive the kick in however Dunne on a few occasions went short to an unmarked man or if there was no other option bailed out long to the ruckman. The idea is with the bail out kick - at worst get it outbounds a kick and a half from goal and reset.

I thought we did it well - I don't care that the bail out was always to the right - that's where the ruckman was.

To me a long kick out always looks much better when you have a winning ruckman and mids - we haven't had that for a while. We did yesterday and that meant the bail out kick did come straight back into the forward 50 every time we kicked it out.

Absolutely right. I think on the whole Dunn kicks out very well indeed. There's bound to be the occasional mistake, nobody gets it 100% right. And he's completely at the mercy of whether his teammates make position or not.

Maybe he doesn't feel as comfortable kicking to the left. Would have thought that kicking it to our right flank & their left flank makes it easier for them to bring it back in.

I miss the Neeld are when Dean Terlich was taking kick outs

That was always fun

Oh man, totally forgot about that. We were so bad.

I miss the Neeld are when Dean Terlich was taking kick outs

That was always fun

Fun!....Used to make me want to curl up in the fetal position.

Is there a video of it?

Is there a video of it?

If your referring to Terlich....yeah, its called The Hindenburg......

Edited June 22, 201510 yr by Wadda We Sing

Is there a video of it?

http://foxsports.com.au/video?v=dunns-awesome-torp_1227408510862

Is there a video of it?

If you want to relive the glory days of 2012 and 2013, you're on your own. The rest of us are still trying to recover.

For the record though, Terlich wasn't awful in his first year. He was seen as a shining light at the time and his B&F results reflected that. I feel a bit sorry for him in a way, it was a hell of a mess of a club to try and eek out a career at, and his confidence seems to have been destroyed.

Everyone can see where Terlich is at; he's the only senior listed, senior aged, non-injured player not to be picked yet. I don't think he deserves to have his name raised out of the blue purely so it can be spat on.

If you want to relive the glory days of 2012 and 2013, you're on your own. The rest of us are still trying to recover.

For the record though, Terlich wasn't awful in his first year. He was seen as a shining light at the time and his B&F results reflected that. I feel a bit sorry for him in a way, it was a hell of a mess of a club to try and eek out a career at, and his confidence seems to have been destroyed.

Everyone can see where Terlich is at; he's the only senior listed, senior aged, non-injured player not to be picked yet. I don't think he deserves to have his name raised out of the blue purely so it can be spat on.

If he was good enough, I would have thought that Melbourne circa 2012-13 would have been the perfect place for him to cement himself as a top 22 player in an AFL club.

It is medium-high risk for very-high reward.

The high reward is a fast break which only requires 3-4 players to push forward hard.

And we can counter the risk because our players in the D50 know that when we torp, they need to hit defensive positions immediately and man up in case it rebounds back. It shouldn't be a surprise to our defenders.

And the advantage is that of er do it once or twice each week, opposition will need to set up to defend it. And that means stretching their zones out further, rendering them less effective inside the D50.

As long as we pick the right options with the kick ins, and don't just do it because we can it is a great change up that creates confusion and doubt because standard defensive plans need to change.

Disagree. I've seen him do it a couple of times at most games I've been to this year, although I haven't noticed Dunn placing the ball on the ground beforehand as another poster mentioned. This is the first time I've seen it clearly pay off for us. I've also seen the kick timed poorly more often than once, fall short and then fired back at the opposition goals. I loved watching him do well this time, and the torp makes for great spectator viewing, but it's a low percentage kick IMO. Coaches like Roos are very much about percentages and taking the best options, team plans and set plays are drilled into them. I've seen him (and other players) do torps at training mostly for fun. Perhaps it is a set play given a bit of latitude by Roos, but when it goes wrong it looks and is terrible.

Another secret when a play is flapping their hand with a flat palm up and down it means "lets settle things down and take our time."

Who's Lyndon Dunne

You mean Watts Lynden Dunn?

Good choice in gifs. The movie is on tonight.

Moonie ,

I can only recall twice when it has failed but I agree there is a risk with any attempt to use the "barrel".

On the positive side,Dunn is such a confidence player that it may be worth letting him try it once a game if we are on top in the marking department.

We had more targets available with Gawn,Spencer,Watts,Howe,Dawes able to bring it down,punch it on.

I'm for it.

But if Dunn is having a bad day from the start I like to see Watts kick in or Salem when fit.

Don't Ban the Barrel!

Another secret when a play is flapping their hand with a flat palm up and down it means "lets settle things down and take our time."

And another secret is the looking left to right like a fairground laughing clown without the laugh when a player has NFI.

The same signal also means "turnover coming up".

I miss the Neeld are when Dean Terlich was taking kick outs

That was always fun

Had a good LOL at all of these.

If you want to relive the glory days of 2012 and 2013, you're on your own. The rest of us are still trying to recover.

For the record though, Terlich wasn't awful in his first year. He was seen as a shining light at the time and his B&F results reflected that. I feel a bit sorry for him in a way, it was a hell of a mess of a club to try and eek out a career at, and his confidence seems to have been destroyed.

Everyone can see where Terlich is at; he's the only senior listed, senior aged, non-injured player not to be picked yet. I don't think he deserves to have his name raised out of the blue purely so it can be spat on.

Nasher, you've got a typo you might want to fix. There is no 'l' in gory.

We only do it once a game but I'm surprised other teams haven't picked up on it.

He gives the same signal every time - when Dunn drops the ball on the ground before kicking it the torp is on.

Hushhhhhh

Another secret when a play is flapping their hand with a flat palm up and down it means "lets settle things down and take our time."

And don't forget Moloney's secret signal - pointing downfield: meaning "I can't be bothered running, you do it!"

Lynden's huge torp 2 normal players' kicks away from the goal would have been perfect had we managed to force a behind in the dying seconds vs Saints.

Nasher, you've got a typo you might want to fix. There is no 'l' in gory.

Have you considered that it may not have been a typo?? Those were gory days.

Edited June 23, 201510 yr by monoccular

Disagree. I've seen him do it a couple of times at most games I've been to this year, although I haven't noticed Dunn placing the ball on the ground beforehand as another poster mentioned. This is the first time I've seen it clearly pay off for us. I've also seen the kick timed poorly more often than once, fall short and then fired back at the opposition goals. I loved watching him do well this time, and the torp makes for great spectator viewing, but it's a low percentage kick IMO. Coaches like Roos are very much about percentages and taking the best options, team plans and set plays are drilled into them. I've seen him (and other players) do torps at training mostly for fun. Perhaps it is a set play given a bit of latitude by Roos, but when it goes wrong it looks and is terrible.

"If done correctly" it is medium high risk for high reward.

I'm not saying we are doing it correctly. But if or payers know it is on and we set up for it defensively as well as offensively, then the risk sound be mitigated.