On 17 December 2015 at 9:44 PM, beelzebub said:

You won't get nsf to fly by forgetting to mention hundreds of jabs.

CAS aren't buying it either hence their dragging in of players and raising the idea of concern.

2 years minus provisionals. Deal with it Essendon... All your doing.

Now 'bub' you don't know what the CAS are buying and it would seem obvious to at least bring some EFC players in for questioning seeing as they are the ones being charged.

I think there is a little too much over the top comment on here not based on any real evidence that would rival what goes on a the Bomber site. We can't talk about them being delusional and then go making stuff up ourselves.

7 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Am I right that it turns out this saga has to date cost James a cool $1¾m in legals to get where he is today and now he's having a shot at the club's insurer to recover some or all of it back?

He might no longer be a hero in the world of football but to many in the legal profession, he still rocks!!!

 

There was an article about this some time ago. 

Apparently hirdy wanted it all back but the insurance is for being sued  (eg for negligence) and not for bringing the legal action yourself  (as hirdy did when he was trying to stop the asada investigation).

Ead you cheat

Edited December 18, 20159 yr by biggestred

50 minutes ago, rjay said:

Now 'bub' you don't know what the CAS are buying and it would seem obvious to at least bring some EFC players in for questioning seeing as they are the ones being charged.

I think there is a little too much over the top comment on here not based on any real evidence that would rival what goes on a the Bomber site. We can't talk about them being delusional and then go making stuff up ourselves.

Keep in mind it wasn't  Wada calling the players in. It was CAS. Why would they do that if happy with what they had put forward as their 'story'.Its not only reasonable to draw the conclusion that CAS weren't buying their initial offeringsbut it's supported by their (CAS) comments afterwards.

Some things are actually quite plain to see.

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Keep in mind it wasn't  Wada calling the players in. It was CAS. Why would they do that if happy with what they had put forward as their 'story'.Its not only reasonable to draw the conclusion that CAS weren't buying their initial offeringsbut it's supported by their (CAS) comments afterwards.

Some things are actually quite plain to see.

Why wouldn't the CAS want to hear from the players, they might not be buying WADA's view either.

The thing is we don't know.

The outcome will be known soon, if found guilty I hope they throw the book at them. If not then so be it.

If the result is not to your satisfaction 'BB' will you be happy to move on? 

I know many of the EFC people will call conspiracy if they are found guilty, what will be the reaction of others.

If guilty I hope the penalty is substantial and not 'Old Dees' wet tram ticket. If they are found to have not enough evidence to convict or not guilty then for mine we move on. The hearing has been fair and above board, no conspiracy's.

 

6 minutes ago, rjay said:

Why wouldn't the CAS want to hear from the players, they might not be buying WADA's view either.

The thing is we don't know.

The outcome will be known soon, if found guilty I hope they throw the book at them. If not then so be it.

If the result is not to your satisfaction 'BB' will you be happy to move on? 

I know many of the EFC people will call conspiracy if they are found guilty, what will be the reaction of others.

If guilty I hope the penalty is substantial and not 'Old Dees' wet tram ticket. If they are found to have not enough evidence to convict or not guilty then for mine we move on. The hearing has been fair and above board, no conspiracy's.

 

Who's the new avatar RJay ??

10 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Who's the new avatar RJay ??

Olga Kurylenko...

Rjay logic suggests they called the players in as their testimony to date would not have lined up with Young's summations. If CAS had thought WADA was offering guesstimate rubbish the players would not have been called. Why bother. 

Again that CAS has shown reason to announce its concerns suggests its not WADA that disbelieved.

If CAS finds in favour of the players , whilst surprised and disappointed  I'd move on.

Just now, rjay said:

Olga Kurylenko...

Googling her as we speak.

17 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Googling her as we speak.

Actress in a Bond movie and now others. Very attractive.

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Rjay logic suggests they called the players in as their testimony to date would not have lined up with Young's summations. If CAS had thought WADA was offering guesstimate rubbish the players would not have been called. Why bother. 

Again that CAS has shown reason to announce its concerns suggests its not WADA that disbelieved.

If CAS finds in favour of the players , whilst surprised and disappointed  I'd move on.

I think CAS verifying information from the players is a necessary strategy. If CAS ends up with a finding which is unfavourable to the players, it avoids the argument that the players were not given a chance to present their views first hand (even though there are lawyers at 20 paces representing them). Conversely, if CAS finds for the players, CAS can say the case presented by WADA was not sufficient, but in order to try to fill the gaps missing in the WADA case, CAS also sought first hand information directly from the players.

I know if I was sitting on the CAS bench it's what I would want to do, even if I found the case open and shut, either way.

3 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

 

Jack.....you are assuming he has paid his bills!!

Always George but in cases of that size (and lesser ones) lawyers like to ask for money up front (or security to cover the costs) and given the weakness of the cases Hirdy was presenting his own lawyers would have made sure they covered all bases.

I think Hird would be hoping for an out of court offer of settlement but I don't think the insurer will bite.

See Tim Lane's article in The Age

On drugs, AFL's small world has to embrace the bigger issue

Best thing written critical of AFL and Essendrug. 

2 hours ago, bazza226 said:

See Tim Lane's article in The Age

On drugs, AFL's small world has to embrace the bigger issue

Best thing written critical of AFL and Essendrug. 

Too true.

It's very sad for our game that most of the AFL football world has far too much sympathy for the players and would rather see them get off lightly or completely while the game itself falls into disrepute at their expense. 

 

Throughout the world, it's understood that athletes are responsible for what they ingest into their bodies but in Australia that doesn't seem to apply so that while we might snigger at muscle bound Chinese women swimmers and cyclists on the gear, our boys and girls are clean as white, driven snow.

5 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

 

Throughout the world, it's understood that athletes are responsible for what they ingest into their bodies but in Australia that doesn't seem to apply so that while we might snigger at muscle bound Chinese women swimmers and cyclists on the gear, our boys and girls are clean as white, driven snow.

 

Yes, but they're nasty furriners and we're Aussies. What aren't you understanding about that?

 

(Oh, except for Warnie, Stuart O'Grady, those Cronulla guys, that Olympic fencing guy, ...)

1 hour ago, Ted Fidge said:

(Oh, except for Warnie, Stuart O'Grady, those Cronulla guys, that Olympic fencing guy, ...)

A little harsh on old Alex Watson there Ted. Nothing wrong with drinking 437 coffees before 11am is there?

Tim Lane. One of the very few to have a clear perspective on this debacle and to have  remained consistently so.

Edited December 19, 20159 yr by beelzebub

Four days to go before Christmas.

What are the chances of a decision by Thursday?

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-20/hird-bemoans-power-and-greed-in-sport/7043762?section=sport

 

 

He's lost it.

To be fair that sounds like a thinly veiled dig at the AFL and he is probably correct.

He still thinks the players were cleared

12 hours ago, bazza226 said:

See Tim Lane's article in The Age

On drugs, AFL's small world has to embrace the bigger issue

Best thing written critical of AFL and Essendrug. 

With Tim's article in mind, and the bombers hyperthetically winning consecutive flags (give or take a Brownlow and Norm Smith) in 2013,2014

is that what everyone wanted out there? We would be very poor excuses for a civilised society.

It's a bit rich for Hird to be talking about the booing of Adam Goodes when it was the supporters of his club, who, on the evening of May 17th 2014 booed umpire Troy Pannell as he was stretchered off (collected by Malceski) and also started booing Goodes following an incident with a Dons' player. Whilst Goodes had been copping criticism on social media for a while in the lead up to that game, as far as I'm aware it was the first time he was booed at a match.

Edited December 20, 20159 yr by M_9
left out full date

1 hour ago, biggestred said:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-20/hird-bemoans-power-and-greed-in-sport/7043762?section=sport

 

What a load of absoulute crap

from the same man who said

"Get me the good stuff we are playing Carlton this week"

your players have not been cleared James ..They aree in front of WADA & CAS as we speak. 

You are completely delusional James Hird....

Edited December 20, 20159 yr by Sir Why You Little

2 hours ago, biggestred said:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-20/hird-bemoans-power-and-greed-in-sport/7043762?section=sport

 

 

He's lost it.

Irony

The delusional one wants 2016 to be the 'year of facts'. Well for a start you let us all know what you sanctioned//authorised/encouraged/organised to be injected into the players.

That would be some facts we want to hear about. And he records, James, where are they?

 Wow, he is simply living on another planet. I know lots of people that know him and/or who have met him. There isn't a kind word to be said by any of them about him or his wife,

And according to Gil the dill at a recent function, CAS is a lot more prepared than ASADA.....