14 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Wouldn't of taken to long to notice a change of physique  with multiple injections a week and a specific diet. 

They might have been told to expect exactly that. Remember that danky thought he was more clever than anyone else.

 

It never takes long to see a big difference, if you hit the gym hard, and eat right. But, someone, anyone from the players group, or families, should have checked further. That's the first ringing bell. It was all secret, even during questioning.

 

ding ding ding ding!!!!!!

4 hours ago, ManDee said:

 

All players are instructed every year by every club about the drug policy.

Between 1990 and 2007 more than 6000 anti-doping code tests were conducted in and out of competition.

In 2007 the players put this out http://www.sportingpulse.com/get_file.cgi?id=1225710  about saying no to drugs.

Are you seriously suggesting compassion for a group of elite athletes trained annually in drug policy that fail to contact ASADA or any independent professional to clarify if the 100's of injections are all above board?

No my friend they are complicit and need to be punished. No compassion, do the crime do the time!

 

The problem is that their training says to check with the club doc, not ASADA. That is where the whole AFL thing goes wrong and opens everyone up to this very situation. 

51 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Only because j have thought the whole club did it and was 100% guilty since day 1 that it broke. 

 

51 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

You do realise they're cheats. You'd have them prosper?

What about the non-cheaters ?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/j2Y0x0ZKJLE

Edited December 8, 20159 yr by PaulRB

39 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

 

https://www.youtube.com/embed/j2Y0x0ZKJLE

Great Movie. Must watch it on christmas eve!!

47 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

 

https://www.youtube.com/embed/j2Y0x0ZKJLE

Try answering the point. There's a reason to having rules and there's consequences for breaking them.

1 hour ago, Chris said:

The problem is that their training says to check with the club doc, not ASADA. That is where the whole AFL thing goes wrong and opens everyone up to this very situation. 

are you sure it is as black and white as that, chris

i find it hard to believe that it isn't drummed into them that they have ultimate responsibility and they can seek the resources of asada. i would also expect that asada themselves provide at least some education either in person or in materials and that it is not just conducted 100% by the afl. 

anyway, in this case we know that doc reid disapproved of this program and wrote a letter to the club. it would seem he didn't share this letter or it's contents with the players and furthermore when his letter was ignored he didn't take it any further or partake in the program. so if the afl training told the players to check with the club doc and he was obviously bypassed, then the players should have heard the alarm bells ringing very loudly

6 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

are you sure it is as black and white as that, chris

i find it hard to believe that it isn't drummed into them that they have ultimate responsibility and they can seek the resources of asada. i would also expect that asada themselves provide at least some education either in person or in materials and that it is not just conducted 100% by the afl. 

anyway, in this case we know that doc reid disapproved of this program and wrote a letter to the club. it would seem he didn't share this letter or it's contents with the players and furthermore when his letter was ignored he didn't take it any further or partake in the program. so if the afl training told the players to check with the club doc and he was obviously bypassed, then the players should have heard the alarm bells ringing very loudly

Yes they should have. Don't get me wrong, they are responsible and should be penalised if guilty, and penalised heavily. They are to a small degree the victims of the appalling culture of the AFL though. 

2 minutes ago, Chris said:

Yes they should have. Don't get me wrong, they are responsible and should be penalised if guilty, and penalised heavily. They are to a small degree the victims of the appalling culture of the AFL though. 

lol, aren't we all?

And unfortunately the f.....s that run the afl will just get bonuses. How terribly wrong

25 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

And unfortunately the f.....s that run the afl will just get bonuses. How terribly wrong

But but but bb they got the price of pies down!

They won't get bonuses if there are 8 games instead of 9 and crowds are down 

This "letter from Doc Reid business" has a degree of suspicious fascination about it. 

Because it just does and does not have to exist, doesn't it. 

Have always thought Reidshould have be stricken off. Still do.

Just now, beelzebub said:

Have always thought Reidshould have be stricken off. Still do.

when they bypassed him he should have walked

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

when they bypassed him he should have walked

He didn't. What does that say about him ?

6 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Have always thought Reidshould have be stricken off. Still do.

 

3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

when they bypassed him he should have walked

Totally agree

 

AHPRA have been as slack, or worse, as the AFL and ASADA 

 

Reid's first and only duty is to his patients, yet he allowed himself to continue in the employ of, and still does, of a club that indulged in practices that (he claims) he disapproved of.    If a doctor puts his or his payers / employers interests ahead of those of his patients he is behaving unethically and should not be practicing. 

3 hours ago, Chris said:

The problem is that their training says to check with the club doc, not ASADA. That is where the whole AFL thing goes wrong and opens everyone up to this very situation. 

So remind me again why the club doctor is still practising medicine let alone be allowed to be near a team of young men??

He has failed so much at so many levels. He is just a Hird fanboi.

4 hours ago, faultydet said:

 

 

ding ding ding ding!!!!!!

What?

1 hour ago, old dee said:

But but but bb they got the price of pies down!

Must have hit the prices with several wet tram tickets ... 

2 hours ago, ding said:

What?

I posted an epic about helping 900+ poor kids get life saving drugs, wheelchairs, operations, etc etc, and you get the same likes for a 1 word post.

 

*sigh*

8 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Have always thought Reidshould have be stricken off. Still do.

Yes a business acquaintance of mine claims to know him very well and says the threat to take the AFL to court was all bluff. The Essendon hierarchy all knew what position they were in and Hird, Reid and co. just tried to bluster their way out of it. And are still doing so.

Edited December 8, 20159 yr by Dees2014

1 hour ago, Dees2014 said:

Yes a business acquaintance of mine claims to know him very well and says the threat to take the AFL to court was all bluff. The Essendon hierarchy all knew what position they were in and Hird, Reid and co. just tried to bluster their way out of it. And are still doing so.

We all know the AFL don't like court...they will do anything to avoid it.

12 hours ago, Chris said:

The problem is that their training says to check with the club doc, not ASADA. That is where the whole AFL thing goes wrong and opens everyone up to this very situation. 

Chris, these young men are tech savvy. ASADA recommends checking with their site. You enter the questionable substance and the site tells you if it is illegal or not then gives you a response number to record that you have obtained the information. Why would none of the 34 have followed recommended procedure and checked if the substance was legal? (Rhetorical) They new they were cheating and chose to stay quiet.  

Very few of us have any belief in the credibility and moral uprightness of the AFL. Nor on bigfooty or any other fan forum. Or people you meet at barbies and so on.

I don't know, but I imagine there is a healthy degree of cynicism at AFL clubs around the thoughts and deeds of the AFL management.

It is not a stretch to believe that the young men who nothing of anything except footy, coming into a club, are more inclined to "monkey see, monkey do" and copy their peers and elders at the club rather than put their faith and trust in the AFL.

"Jobe says it's alright and he's the captain. Hell, Hirdy says it's alright and he's Hirdy!!!!" (Meanwhile some suit bored us to tears with some powerpoint thing that went for ages when I could have been playing Grand Theft Auto.)

8 hours ago, Red and Bluebeard said:

Must have hit the prices with several wet tram tickets ... 

They have cornered the market