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Surely that's the best side we've listed since 2007.

Young, good mix of experience, some potential A graders. A genuine forward, developing midfield, settled coaches and admin and probably another top 3 or 4 pick coming at years end. Throw in a couple of decent trades and it's not unrealistic seeing us move up the ladder next year. Wow footy may actually interest me again

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I think this side has potential for success and the right grounding for sustained success. But we all thought we had that in 2010 and 2011.

I mean if you look at all the position groups with a discerning eye you can see there's still a lot of work to go.

Last year the main players that we 'found' were the recruits - Tyson, Cross and Vince. Besides from that we had a few players cement themselves and a glimpse of some future talent, but that's about it. Dunn and Jetta improved. Howe nailed a half back spot. At the same time we lost Frawley and Clark for good.

Tomorrow we get 4 new guys trying to cement their spot - Lumumba, Newton, Frost and Garlett. Plus we need more from the guys who in the past have just been nice to watch here and there. By that group I mean Salem, JKH, Hogan, Toumpas, Kent. This years bonus players so far are vandenBerg and Brayshaw.

It's an exciting team tomorrow and if a lot of tomorrow's team can perform well enough to not get dropped and see us win 6 or even 8 games then I think we'll be on to some sustainable. But we can't roll this group out for a 3 or 4 win season because that probably indicates we aren't going anywhere in a hurry and the development still isn't working.

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Its a good side but wouldn't say its the best since 2007..

Gee the bar is set pretty low if we are saying since 2007. God I hope Dazzle is right.

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It's going to be a tough year with many ups and downs. This IMO looks like our most competative seasons for close on a decade. What I don't want to see is another capitulation like the second half of last season. Fighting out a solid season is a must for us.

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Surely that's the best side we've listed since 2007

Young, good mix of experience, some potential A graders. A genuine forward, developing midfield, settled coaches and admin and probably another top 3 or 4 pick coming at years end. Throw in a couple of decent trades and it's not unrealistic seeing us move up the ladder next year. Wow footy may actually interest me again

Ll'lets hope the father/son doesn't take our first pick.

we could use it in howe many ways?

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I think 5-6 wins. We are reliant on youth and that takes time.

I think this is at the positive end of the scale, atthisstage ...

2014 >

12 Gold Coast 22 10

13 Carlton 22 7

14 Western Bulldogs 22 7

15 Brisbane Lions 22 7

16 Greater Western Sydney 22 6

17 Melbourne 22 4

18 St Kilda 22 4

we have to get over the Lions, Suns, Saints, Dogs & Ourselves... that's a giant hurdle to stumble over. if we are to get 6 wins+.

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I think this is at the positive end of the scale, atthisstage ...

2014 >

12 Gold Coast 22 10

13 Carlton 22 7

14 Western Bulldogs 22 7

15 Brisbane Lions 22 7

16 Greater Western Sydney 22 6

17 Melbourne 22 4

18 St Kilda 22 4

we have to get over the Lions, Suns, Saints, Dogs & Ourselves... that's a giant hurdle to stumble over. if we are to get 6 wins+.

I would like to think that we stand a better chance of getting wins over both Carlton and the Pies than (for example) the Lions and the Suns. Also most Demon supporters would derive more pleasure achieving wins over those smug xxxxxs!

Having said that however I am quietly confident about tomorrow (as I have been about Round 1 for the last decade)!

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