Jack Trengove

[Je Roos Salem 661]

Strong midfield? Oh yeah, clearly we won't need him!

And he may not be a big possession winner or a clearance machine but what he is is balanced. He can win clearances, can win the goods own ball, can get it out, can tackle, does runs hard outside, does link up, does mark overhead well for his size, will finish well going forward.

Will he be our best player? No. But he does complement the other players well and due to his balance and versatility, he could be invaluable.

So if he's so versatile what's so shocking about him playing on a flank? I agree he's a good mark and has goal kicking potential

[McQueen 17,864]

So if he's so versatile what's so shocking about him playing on a flank? I agree he's a good mark and has goal kicking potential

Trengove is as much inside/outside as any of the options we have available and you're right, versatile enough to play off HF or HB lines.

[Gator 17,244]

Trengove's always looked slow, it was evident in 2011.

We're talking "pre-draft".

[ManDee 7,124]

He is only 23, and is 6 months older than vandenBerg so has at least 7, maybe more, years left after this.

With his foot injury he will either make a full recovery or won't. If he dies he will regain the speed etc. This isn't an injury where you lose physical attributes as a result.

I hope he comes good but we haven't heard much good news lately (no news is good news?).

Deano, don't think dead players can be listed.

[whatwhat say what 22,137]

Agree with whoever up thread said that - if he can regain fitness - then he can play a role akin to Cross, a mid who can roll back, take intercept marks, and provide defensive cover.

I just want to see him fit again.

For those comparing him to Robbie Gray...no way. Gray has X factor; Trengove is a worker.

Edited June 24, 2015 by DemonAndrew

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

good time to re-read this one:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/how-melbourne-built-jesse-hogan-20150427-1mukbm.html

In particular this part:

"Hogan kept learning during his time out. He sat in on the forwards' meetings, went to watch games with one of the coaches, wrote up reports on other teams' defensive set-ups and studied the players he expected to one day play on. Misson watched him deal with a string of setbacks, developing some resilience and a clearer understanding of how his body worked.

He saw him start to realise that all the annoying little exercises the physios were telling him to do three times every day really were helping him. And importantly, the conditioning coaches got to know him better too, learning how hard he could be pushed, at what point he would break down, how they could best challenge him. They're doing the same thing now with Christian Petracca, a few months into his return from a knee reconstruction."

Clearly Trengove will be getting some of these 'when life you gives you lemons' lessons right now.

I don't understand this 'he's finished' attitude some people have. JT has played 81 games. The most anybody has played from his draft is D.Martin at 119. In the top 20 of that draft, he has actually played the 8th most games. All that has happened is that he's missed two seasons. Every club every year has a couple of season-ending injuries. He's just been unlucky enough to have two years worth.

The club would not be carrying him if they thought he was a write-off. They would have shipped him out to get some speculative ruckman on the list or something. I absolutely expect him to be lining up in Round 1, 2016.

[dpositive 1,649]

Good Comments C&B

Its one of those times that I actually miss TDI training reports as it was always possible to get an assesment from him

Hope the new job is going well TDI

[Adam The God 29,363]

Really?

Why?

He's clearly capable of being a grunt player when fit.

I implied this the other day, but if he gets back, he'll be a younger replacement for Crossy, with better disposal.

[PaulRB 6,297]

If Trenners can come back with full confidence in his body, he's as capable as any of taking it to an elite level with the development coaches and team mates we now have in place.

People seem to forget that he was expected to lead both our midfield and our club just a couple of years ago.

So a return now with our new midfield and mindset will only allow him to finally flourish.

[Adam The God 29,363]

If Trenners can come back with full confidence in his body, he's as capable as any of taking it to an elite level with the development coaches and team mates we now have in place.

People seem to forget that he was expected to lead both our midfield and our club just a couple of years ago.

So a return now with our new midfield and mindset will only allow him to finally flourish.

I hope JT gets back. If he does he can be a really good role player, but I think our faith was slightly misplaced in his ability to be able to lead the team and the club out of the mire.

[old dee 23,492]

I hope JT gets back. If he does he can be a really good role player, but I think our faith was slightly misplaced in his ability to be able to lead the team and the club out of the mire.

Yep you have nailed it AF

I would be happy if he could return and play well as a half forward.

From my memory that is where he played his best football in the first two years.

I really do not believe he is a genuine mid fielder.

[Adam The God 29,363]

Yep you have nailed it AF

I would be happy if he could return and play well as a half forward.

From my memory that is where he played his best football in the first two years.

I really do not believe he is a genuine mid fielder.

Yeah, I think his role going forward would be as a HFF that can rotate through the middle if we were completely stretched or play off the HBF or on a wing. Pretty much Daniel Cross. His foot skills and decision making off half back could come in handy though.

[PaulRB 6,297]

i think he's a boilerplate solid midfielder, solid in and under and capable of motoring all day.

If his body comes good, he'll be in the midfield, and should have similar impact to Vandenburg with better foot skills..

[Young Dee 1,303]

Will have a scan latter this month to determine when he starts running (fingers crossed)

[Dee-licious 1,947]

Watching training at the moment - I forgot how clean and skilled he is. Watching handball and kicking drills with him and Petracca and then Bail, Dawes and Newton - Trenners was fast and silky and hit each target. Only Petracca was the only other to do that (and they did it so quick it was amazing).

When he gets back to running - if he feels comfortable running and chasing he is going to be the serious player we know he can be. He is way to skilled. He is seriously talented and has gotten cleaner and better while he hasn't played.

[Ted Lasso 18,781]

In terms of midfield depth i think trenners makes a very handy rotation if he can get back, extremely strong 5th or 6th mid

[Adam The God 29,363]

In terms of midfield depth i think trenners makes a very handy rotation if he can get back, extremely strong 5th or 6th mid

Could easily make his way back into the leadership team too. But we'll see if he gets back first.

[Dees2014 2,377]

I think everything that has happened to Jack proves the existence of the Melbourne incompetence 2009-2014. I'd bet anything that the pressure put on him is a contributor to the foot getting to the point that it did - I wonder how forthcoming he felt he could be about the state of his body when he thought the club was relying on him? Not to mention the fact that we (apparently) didn't even know he was injured when we tried to pack him off to Richmond.

This is the first time in his career that I think the club has done the right thing by the guy, that's why I personally am so pleased for him and glad that the club has handled this in this manner, finally. Let's hope it's not too little too late.

the point id make is that i have no doubt this decision was not made in isolation. it would have followed extensive medical tests, and the decision would have been made on the balance of probabilities he would be able to make a successful comeback. This was not just a generous gesture - more likely a hard nosed football decision in the best interests of Jack AND the club. if it comes off, it would rank with Bernie's recruitment as one of our best list management decisions in the last 10 years.

[Bonkers 987]

good time to re-read this one:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/how-melbourne-built-jesse-hogan-20150427-1mukbm.html

In particular this part:

"Hogan kept learning during his time out. He sat in on the forwards' meetings, went to watch games with one of the coaches, wrote up reports on other teams' defensive set-ups and studied the players he expected to one day play on. Misson watched him deal with a string of setbacks, developing some resilience and a clearer understanding of how his body worked.

He saw him start to realise that all the annoying little exercises the physios were telling him to do three times every day really were helping him. And importantly, the conditioning coaches got to know him better too, learning how hard he could be pushed, at what point he would break down, how they could best challenge him. They're doing the same thing now with Christian Petracca, a few months into his return from a knee reconstruction."

Clearly Trengove will be getting some of these 'when life you gives you lemons' lessons right now.

I don't understand this 'he's finished' attitude some people have. JT has played 81 games. The most anybody has played from his draft is D.Martin at 119. In the top 20 of that draft, he has actually played the 8th most games. All that has happened is that he's missed two seasons. Every club every year has a couple of season-ending injuries. He's just been unlucky enough to have two years worth.

The club would not be carrying him if they thought he was a write-off. They would have shipped him out to get some speculative ruckman on the list or something. I absolutely expect him to be lining up in Round 1, 2016.

In fairness the club did try off load him for pick 12 so I don't think we can really say the club is overly confident in his recovery. If they were confident I don't think he would have ever been on the table. They tried to get something for him while he still had a price that could help us build our list. At the moment his price would be zero due to his injury so the club may as well take a punt on his recovery as that scenario provides greater value to the club.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

In fairness the club did try off load him for pick 12 so I don't think we can really say the club is overly confident in his recovery. If they were confident I don't think he would have ever been on the table. They tried to get something for him while he still had a price that could help us build our list. At the moment his price would be zero due to his injury so the club may as well take a punt on his recovery as that scenario provides greater value to the club.

but in fairness, it was clear that the Tigers were prepared to take him, meaning he had value to them also

[Adam The God 29,363]

the point id make is that i have no doubt this decision was not made in isolation. it would have followed extensive medical tests, and the decision would have been made on the balance of probabilities he would be able to make a successful comeback. This was not just a generous gesture - more likely a hard nosed football decision in the best interests of Jack AND the club. if it comes off, it would rank with Bernie's recruitment as one of our best list management decisions in the last 10 years.

I think simply it won't cost us much to find out whether he makes it back and if he does, he will be best 22.

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

I think simply it won't cost us much to find out whether he makes it back and if he does, he will be best 22.

agreed. this is low risk to us. If he makes it back, which i hope he does, then it will be awesome. If not, he/we bloody tried.

[deanox 9,658]

I suppose what it really comes down to is:

The risk that Jack Trengove doesn't come back from injury

VS

The risk that the player we would pick with our last pick in the draft is not as good as a fit Jack Trengove.

Which risk is lower? I think most would agree that the known quantity that is Trengove, who is easily in our best 22, and is AFL top 8 team worthy (unlike some of our current best 22!), is a worth while reward.

So therefore a direct comparison of risk is appropriate and I think we have made the right choice.

It might not work but it is a similar percentage chance than the other option with potentially higher reward.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

I don't think he's an AFL standard on-baller. We saw the potential of what he can do in his first couple of years but he really plodded along in 2012-2013 and was beaten up by much better players each week when given the reins. Could've been injuries, could've been the burden of captaincy, but I'm not expecting him to become a midfield star, much more a handy flanker/winger if he does get full fitness back. I do think he can play an important role as we become a top 8 side again as he seems passionate and determined

[nutbean 8,838]

I hope JT gets back. If he does he can be a really good role player, but I think our faith was slightly misplaced in his ability to be able to lead the team and the club out of the mire.

I'm not sure I have read from any posters that Trenners will "lead the team and club out of the mire".

It's pretty simple - his first two seasons he was tracking very nicely. His pace was not an issue - wasn't overly quick but certainly wasn't a plodder. He won the ball in the contests and spread well to get uncontested ball. He was very good overhead for his size. He was good by hand and foot.

If he gets his body back to those first two seasons then he will play. A big if but the one thing I do know - the way he pushes and backs himself he won't be left wondering.