Jayden Laverde

[The Great Pretender 430]

Do you really think McCartin is that good as a KPF?

I think he's ridiculously overhyped, personally.

Knowing our luck, we'll pass on him and he'll become the next Plugger Lockett.

[Carn dees 108]

Fair enough but they aren't throwing up quality midfield options.

Laverde who is a utility who could be a midfielder in the future.

Both haven't played a lot in the midfield let alone dominated that position. No exposed form to say they'll be what people project.

Thats what they where saying about Bontempelli last year.

[Thehardtackler 785]

McCartin's highlights video was very average. He looks a very ordinary players in his highlights package. Laverde on the other hand appears to be quite exciting. He looks like a cross between Lynden Dunn and Jeremy Howe. He takes the opponent on like Dunn used to when he was younger and played forward but has some ability to take a mark like Howe, although he does not seem to get up as high as Howe. I like the look of Laverde and Brayshaw as the best 2 players in the draft, along with Petracca. Wright looked like a Sam Jacobs type who I think would be better than McCartin. Lever looked interesting but not as exciting as Laverde and not as good a contested player.

[P-man 13,276]

Very ordinary players don't have hands as clean as McCartin, and they certainly aren't as good below their knees.

They don't kick 20 goals in 5 games playing at 70% fitness.

They don't draw comparisons with a young Roughead.

We'll be getting a fantastic talent if we pick McCartin.

[Machsy 2,858]

Who is stupid enough to compare McCartin to Roughead??!

[InVINCEable 358]

Let's look at the draft profiles:-

Paige Cardona has him going at 5 to Collingwood

If collingwood get another Pendlebury

[InVINCEable 358]

Who is stupid enough to compare McCartin to Roughead??!

Don't throw the word "stupid" around when you're... well you.

[P-man 13,276]

Who is stupid enough to compare McCartin to Roughead??!

McCartin is 194cm and 96kg. Roughead is 193cm and 100kg. So very similar physically. McCartin apparently has the versatility to play at centre half forward or on a flank which he has done as a junior. McCartin looks more of the full forward mould but supposedly has a few more strings to his bow.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

McCartin is 194cm and 96kg. Roughead is 193cm and 100kg. So very similar physically. McCartin apparently has the versatility to play at centre half forward or on a flank which he has done as a junior. McCartin looks more of the full forward mould but supposedly has a few more strings to his bow.

That may be all well and good.

But goal kicking is a WEAKNESS of his and he's a fulltime forward. Not just technique. But mentality. That's not something that I'm cool with if we're looking to draft a fulltime one-dimensional forward.

Kicking goals should be up there with his stronger attributes. But it's not. And its a worry.

Roughhead is a brilliant field and goal kick. Which is what makes him such a great player. If Roughead couldn't kick, he'd be half the player he is now.

You've compared their weight and height as players. What other footballing attributes do they share?

[Machsy 2,858]

Roughead's greatest asset is his football IQ and his ability to play through the middle.

I've seen nothing to suggest McCartin has any of these qualities.

In fact, he looks like he'd have been a star 25 years ago, but in today's game I'm not so sure.

[P-man 13,276]

That may be all well and good.

But goal kicking is a WEAKNESS of his and he's a fulltime forward. Not just technique. But mentality. That's not something that I'm cool with if we're looking to draft a fulltime one-dimensional forward.

Kicking goals should be up there with his stronger attributes. But it's not. And its a worry.

Roughhead is a brilliant field and goal kick. Which is what makes him such a great player. If Roughead couldn't kick, he'd be half the player he is now.

You've compared their weight and height as players. What other footballing attributes do they share?

The comparison wasn't made by me personally so I won't try to defend it further because I don't need to. I merely referenced it: http://www.krockfootball.com.au/falcon-draws-roughead-comparisons/

I do think it's unfair to be comparing football IQs at the relative stages of their careers, and he has plenty of time to be working on his set shot technique so it might be a worry of sorts but not a major one for mine.

To be quite frank, I'm going to go with the weight of professional opinion on McCartin's value ahead of most if not all posters on here. If there's a credible review that doesn't rate him, from someone whose followed him closely, I'm open to reading it.

[Machsy 2,858]

Have you read it? The one drawing comparisons to Roughead, one of the leading KPFs in the game, is none other than Mick Turner, the Falcons' resident hype machine.

Due to the source, it can be summarily dismissed.

[P-man 13,276]

Have you read it? The one drawing comparisons to Roughead, one of the leading KPFs in the game, is none other than Mick Turner, the Falcons' resident hype machine.

Due to the source, it can be summarily dismissed.

Yes Mach. Everyone is stupid, has an agenda etc. I know the deal.

I agree McCartin LOOKS the traditional FF and his field kicking doesn't look fantastic. But of all players to choose from to compare, he picks Roughy. It's interesting if nothing else and maybe, just maybe, he isn't as one dimensional as first thought.

[WERRIDEE 5,240]

Roughead's greatest asset is his football IQ and his ability to play through the middle.

I've seen nothing to suggest McCartin has any of these qualities.

In fact, he looks like he'd have been a star 25 years ago, but in today's game I'm not so sure.

How many games have you seen McCartin play?

Even if he's a spud we will have greatest development coach in the universe in the great McCartney and he will singlehandedly turn him into a superstar like every player he is going to develop.

[rpfc 27,633]

Honestly, every pick is a punt when they are teenagers...

[rjay 24,038]

Honestly, every pick is a punt when they are teenagers...

You would hope there is some science to it but more likely mixed with a bit of magic dust and more than a touch of luck to get the right result.

[s-t-i-n-g-a 439]

Just getting back to Laverde for a moment...

One thing I didn't notice was any defensive pressure. He looks exciting but he will need to run two ways in the big league as Sam Blease has just found out. Anyone know if this is an issue for him?

[rpfc 27,633]

You would hope there is some science to it but more likely mixed with a bit of magic dust and more than a touch of luck to get the right result.

I think the industry is getting better at finding the best 50 players in every junior year, but of those 50 blokes - clubs still find it tough to differentiate the top players when they are 22 and until we raise the age of eligibility - it won't change.

I don't know if other years have been like this at the top - we have Petracca and Brayshaw that look solid from all accounts, then we have a type-1 diabetic CHF who has some massive raps but a few question marks, we have a HFF that might make a great mid, and a good CHB who might make a great mid but he has been out for a year with a ACL.

And these are the players we are 'allowed' to pick from because The Consensus has deemed them better than the rest of the 50 blokes that might be better than them when they are 22...

[Demoneyes 562]

Honestly, every pick is a punt when they are teenagers...

I reckon every kick should be a punt, but maybe I've just dropped the ball!

[dee-luded 2,958]

McCartin is 194cm and 96kg. Roughead is 193cm and 100kg. So very similar physically. McCartin apparently has the versatility to play at centre half forward or on a flank which he has done as a junior. McCartin looks more of the full forward mould but supposedly has a few more strings to his bow.

well if we do take a key tall forward, IO we better make sure he has the engine to play CHF as well as FF, & also be able to go down back.

his engine will be crucial I would have thought. We Do not need any one dimensional key talls who can't play other positions.

[Members' Wing 1,106]

well if we do take a key tall forward, IO we better make sure he has the engine to play CHF as well as FF, & also be able to go down back.

his engine will be crucial I would have thought. We Do not need any one dimensional key talls who can't play other positions.

What a bizarre post.

Hawkins, Walker, Tippett, J Brown, Gunston, Riewoldt, Cloke, Kennedy are all stay at home forwards who have reasonable records!

Why do we need him to be able to go down back?

It's terrific if midfielders and flankers have some versatility but key forwards and key defenders you want them to be a master of their trade rather than a jack of a couple.

It's like saying in cricket we need our bowlers to be able to bat as well - no! Pick your best batsmen to bat and your best bowlers to bowl and if you've got one genuine all-rounder in the side then brilliant.

How many genuine quality swingmen are there in the league? Probably only Carlisle. To say a key forward needs to be able to go down back to be worth drafting is absurd.

Edited October 27, 2014 by Members' Wing

[dee-luded 2,958]

What a bizarre post.

Hawkins, Walker, Tippett, J Brown, Gunston, Riewoldt, Cloke, Kennedy are all stay at home forwards who have reasonable records!

Why do we need him to be able to go down back?

It's terrific if midfielders and flankers have some versatility but key forwards and key defenders you want them to be a master of their trade rather than a jack of a couple.

It's like saying in cricket we need our bowlers to be able to bat as well - no! Pick your best batsmen to bat and your best bowlers to bowl and if you've got one genuine all-rounder in the side then brilliant.

How many genuine quality swingmen are there in the league? Probably only Carlisle. To say a key forward needs to be able to go down back to be worth drafting is absurd.

I'd be happy to have Walker, JBrown, Gunston, NRiewoldt, to play any key position along the spine. So if McCartin has the poise & agility & smarts of these 4 guys, then he's a must... but I don't share your passion for him atmo.

I think Wright is more skilled than McCartin, but does he have the mojo to take on the big guys? Is McCartin the real McCoy, or a McSpud ?

[Redleg 38,020]

Well that's good, now having seen his highlights I reckon we should take Brayshaw with 2 and if available Petracca, McCartin, Lever and Laverde with pick 3.

Can we take 4 players with one pick?

[rjay 24,038]

Well that's good, now having seen his highlights I reckon we should take Brayshaw with 2 and if available Petracca, McCartin, Lever and Laverde with pick 3.

Can we take 4 players with one pick?

If we had our PP 'Redleg' we would almost make it...

[jnrmac 19,312]

Short-sighted and ignorant comment.

Nice.

Really genius?

Hardly short sighted and quite factual. The only ignorance would be your response.