AFL National Draft 2014 Picks 2 & 3

[jabberwocky 2,301]

About three out of 700 key forwards?

3 out of 700 players drafted at some point, correct. Three or four are capable of being effective stay at home forwards.

Is this kid good enough to be another one? You say that he is? I honestly don't know.

He does have some limitations which will probably mean that if he isn't good enough he will struggle to find another spot.

[deeko 937]

I just think key forwards are way to risky and we have been burnt before.

Everything should be about the midfield and we desperately need more quality. The better quality of the mids the better the forwards will look.

I'd rather establish a first class midfield then look to poach a key forward once they are a few years in so at least then we will know if they are a dust buster or not instead of rolling the dice again.

[ManDee 7,091]

I just think key forwards are way to risky and we have been burnt before.

Everything should be about the midfield and we desperately need more quality. The better quality of the mids the better the forwards will look.

I'd rather establish a first class midfield then look to poach a key forward once they are a few years in so at least then we will know if they are a dust buster or not instead of rolling the dice again.

Like the Bulldogs?

[Bossdog 2,002]

God I love Demonland.......The place where posters can argue who we will pick up in the upcoming draft after watching 2 minutes of a highlight tape

I will say, that I trust the footy dept to select the right players after extensive study into said players( we seem to have the right recuiting people in place now)

I have no idea who is better than who as I don't watch highlight tapes

I will take an interest on draft day and hopefully we will get 2 great kids who mature into greats for this club of ours and not be compared forever with the players taken later in the draft

[rjay 23,928]

I just think key forwards are way to risky and we have been burnt before.

Everything should be about the midfield and we desperately need more quality. The better quality of the mids the better the forwards will look.

I'd rather establish a first class midfield then look to poach a key forward once they are a few years in so at least then we will know if they are a dust buster or not instead of rolling the dice again.

We've been burnt by a lot more mids than forwards.

Let's face it we've drafted poorly in the past full stop, that's no reason to single any type of player out. If they think the forward is class then we take him. If not we look at someone else.

[Machsy 2,858]

We've been burnt by a lot more mids than forwards.

Let's face it we've drafted poorly in the past full stop, that's no reason to single any type of player out. If they think the forward is class then we take him. If not we look at someone else.

I don't think the forward is class enough to justify his high standing.

That goes for both McCartin & Wright.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,177]

The extent to which McCartin is being talked down on demonland is astounding!

By the tone being taken by a lot of people, you'd think this player, who has been regarded as top two in the draft pool all year, was a complete dud! Are people actually that down on this impressive young KPP prospect?

FWIW I think he looks great! Great build, great attitude, great set of hands!

He is going to go top four in the draft - top five at the absolute max! Yet by the sounds of the criticism he gets on here, it'd be a miracle if he was drafted at all.

[Machsy 2,858]

Depends on your interpretation of the criticism.

When it is repeatedly said that he will be good, just not good enough to ignore our glaring need for midfielders, how do you interpret that as it being a miracle for him to be drafted at all?

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,177]

Criticisms along the lines of: underwhelming, lack of speed, poor below his knees, poor conditioning, bad disposal, bad shot for goal, poor agility and turning circle, questions on his attitude and a general feeling that he won't be able to translate his talents to senior football - have all been thrown his way- certainly not by one poster but across several threads. The attitude to McCartin on DL is seemingly mostly negative which stands in contrast to his standing in the broader afl community.

I get that MFC has been burnt many times by early picks but I think a lot of people are trying to search out and focus too much on the negatives, or possible negatives of an exceptional young player. Most clubs would be falling over themselves to get him and I think we're looking for faults that aren't really there.

I suppose it's a matter of perception and expectation and what people deem to be a success. Is a decent 200 game FF worth pick 3, even if he's not a star of the competition? I'd say yes.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

The extent to which McCartin is being talked down on demonland is astounding!

Really....couldn't find that bit. Could you quote it?

I only saw a few people questioning the view that he is worth our pick 3. Is that even allowed here on a footy forum?

Do you have a view? It's fine not to have one of course, but is it ok if a few people have a discussion regarding their views?

Edited October 29, 2014 by jabberwocky

[Machsy 2,858]

Criticisms along the lines of: underwhelming, lack of speed, poor below his knees, poor conditioning, bad disposal, bad shot for goal, poor agility and turning circle, questions on his attitude and a general feeling that he won't be able to translate his talents to senior football - have all been thrown his way- certainly not by one poster but across several threads. The attitude to McCartin on DL is seemingly mostly negative which stands in contrast to his standing in the broader afl community.

I get that MFC has been burnt many times by early picks but I think a lot of people are trying to search out and focus too much on the negatives, or possible negatives of an exceptional young player. Most clubs would be falling over themselves to get him and I think we're looking for faults that aren't really there.

I suppose it's a matter of perception and expectation and what people deem to be a success. Is a decent 200 game FF worth pick 3, even if he's not a star of the competition? I'd say yes.

I'd say no, when we are crying out for midfielders and there are plenty of viable midfield options, some that I think will ultimately be more successful.

[nutbean 8,837]

I will take an interest on draft day and hopefully we will get 2 great kids who mature into greats for this club of ours and not be compared forever with the players taken later in the draft

Amen to that !!

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Wow. Are you really that illiterate? That comment was in relation to recruiting 'bulls'. Feel free to read it again.

As for smokey's you're right. Gysberts, Cook and Tapscott were inspired and far sighted., Bwah ha ha. (mr T accent) Are you really such a fool...

Yes.

And my comment was regarding the other post that contradicted the Fyfe and Sloane one.

End of discussion.

[nutbean 8,837]

The extent to which McCartin is being talked down on demonland is astounding!

By the tone being taken by a lot of people, you'd think this player, who has been regarded as top two in the draft pool all year, was a complete dud! Are people actually that down on this impressive young KPP prospect?

FWIW I think he looks great! Great build, great attitude, great set of hands!

He is going to go top four in the draft - top five at the absolute max! Yet by the sounds of the criticism he gets on here, it'd be a miracle if he was drafted at all.

I must be reading something different to you. I have seen him described as not worthy of a pick 1-3 and overrated as a top 3 pick but I am haven't heard described as a dud..

[nutbean 8,837]

I'd say no, when we are crying out for midfielders and there are plenty of viable midfield options, some that I think will ultimately be more successful.

Successful or not successful mids ( I am hoping we get it right = successful) - it's not really the point IMO. We had the worst inside 50 count by a long way in 2014, equal bottom with GWS in 2013, and 3rd worst to the GWS, Suns in 2012. Your crying out for mids comment is spot on.

If you can't get the ball into the forward half, it doesn't matter how good your forwards are unless the conversation rate is spectacular and I am not convinced a 1st year draftee will be the spectacular difference for a few years at least. Drafting an instant "champion" forward might improve your conversation - aka Buddy.

I back the "new" club to finally do the right things at this time of the year but won't be highly critical around the debate on who we should and shouldn't be taking as I am purely a 2 minute highlight watcher. I like the look of 3 mids being Petracca, Brayshaw and Laverde. If it was me I would opt for two mids. We have lots of needs but to me this is the most pressing.

Edited October 29, 2014 by nutbean

[kurtneverdied 202]

Hmm McCartin is a Geelong Grammar boy. THAT source is well connected there. I think i can find out what the teachers think of him at school. Another scoop coming guys.. Bahaha!

[DeeMfc 621]

Ok. I never post anything intel wise unless I think the source is relatively well connected and this one is so here go's -

1. The saints aren't going tall as I will explain in point 2. Petracca is a near lock but they have not ruled out taking Brayshaw.

2. They are looking at Mckernan on the cheap as a no risk high pick option with plenty of upside. The reason they aren't going tall with early picks is that they are targeting talls coming out of contract and free agents over the next 2-3 years(poaching). He specifically mentioned Jeremy Cameron. This person knows Jacob Townsend who is Camerons flat mate. Apparently Cameron is extremely homesick but wants to do the right thing and see out his contract which ends after next season. Apparently loves the club but only a near miracle will stop him from wanting to come home. Saints are going hard for him and will have the war chest ready with Reiwoldt close to retiring.

[durango 1,984]

The recruiters will make the call unless 2 players are =3 best as far as they are concerned and then the coach will decide the player we will pick with our 3 pick. I trust the judgement of the recruiters because this year the coach has also seen some of the prospective recruits in action when he watched the Tyler Roos games. I also think he would have asked Tyler his opinions regrading opposition players.

[kurtneverdied 202]

Nice one DeeMFC. I'd kinda don't like the sound of them thinking of Brayshaw though. We need him and I'm already locking him in my mind as a Dee!

[Gorgoroth 12,331]

Was to,d this morning by a guy I know he has spoken to McCartin's manager and was told Saints will not be drafting him, expects Melbourne or GWS to take him with 3 or 4.

Seems player managers are tipping 1. Petracca, 2. Brayshaw.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

KPP who featured in the top 5-10 of their draft year:

2006 - Gumbleton, Hansen and Leuenberger

2007 - Kreuzer, Grant(not sure if he played kp during 18's), Henderson

2008 - Watts, Naitanui and Hurley

2009 - John Butcher (slid to 8 after being touted as a number one pick during the year

2010 - Sam Day

2011 - Patton, Haynes and Longer

2012 - Plowman and Daniher

2013 - Boyd and Kolodjashnij

The forwards of that crop of KPP:

Gumbleton

Hansen

Henderson

Watts

Butcher

Day

Patton

Haynes

Daniher

Boyd

Bar Boyd, Daniher, Haynes and Patton (due to it being too early to tell), the rest of that group of forwards have been underwhelming to say the least as KP forwards.

Day, Watts, Henderson and Hansen all started as forwards but haven't performed well enough as forwards at AFL level so they play different positions now.

Gumbleton was a flop and Butcher is a great example of a KP forward who can't kick.

The reason I am super cautious of drafting someone like McCartin is precisely to do with the list I've just provided. In isolation, each of the KPP mentioned in those draft years were 'talked up'.

McCartin is one of three KPP in this draft who is highly rated. A full forward who's weakness is to execute the very thing forwards need to do. Kick goals.

The MFC nearly broke an AFL record this year for inside 50 deferentials. And that's got nothing to do with our forwardline.

Myself and other MFC supporters have every right not to be as impressed by McCartin as 'experts' of the draft. I'll back my judgement. And I'm telling you now, I want two mids.

Edited October 29, 2014 by stevethemanjordan

[kurtneverdied 202]

Hmm McCartin is a Geelong Grammar boy. THAT source is well connected there. I think i can find out what the teachers think of him at school. Another scoop coming guys.. Bahaha!

And turns out the source knows McCartin, but didn't even know he played footy until I just told them...sigh...

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

KPP who featured in the top 5-10 of their draft year:

2006 - Gumbleton, Hansen and Leuenberger

2007 - Kreuzer, Grant(not sure if he played kp during 18's), Henderson

2008 - Watts, Naitanui and Hurley

2009 - John Butcher (slid to 8 after being touted as a number one pick during the year

2010 - Sam Day

2011 - Patton, Haynes and Longer

2012 - Plowman and Daniher

2013 - Boyd and Kolodjashnij

The forwards of that crop of KPP:

Gumbleton

Hansen

Henderson

Watts

Butcher

Day

Patton

Haynes

Daniher

Boyd

Bar Boyd, Daniher, Haynes and Patton (due to it being too early to tell), the rest of that group of forwards have been underwhelming to say the least as KP forwards.

Day, Watts, Henderson and Hansen all started as forwards but haven't performed well enough as forwards at AFL level so they play different positions now.

Gumbleton was a flop and Butcher is a great example of a KP forward who can't kick.

The reason I am super cautious of drafting someone like McCartin is precisely to do with the list I've just provided. In isolation, each of the KPP mentioned in those draft years were 'talked up'.

McCartin is one of three KPP in this draft who is highly rated. A full forward who's weakness is to execute the very thing forwards need to do. Kick goals.

The MFC nearly broke an AFL record this year for inside 50 deferentials. And that's got nothing to do with our forwardline.

Myself and other MFC supporters have every right not to be as impressed by McCartin as 'experts' of the draft. I'll back my judgement. And I'm telling you now, I want two mids.

Were you against us getting Hogan?

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Were you against us getting Hogan?

No I wasn't against us getting Hogan.

We got access to the mini draft so it was different. And he couldn't be as accurately compared to other KP players of his draft.

But I still believe Hogan has a better mix of attributes. But that's neither here nor there.

The question should be, what do the MFC need to become more and more competitive?

And my answer is midfielders.

[Moneider96 1,045]

My opinion is that we get Mccartin this year, to add more depth to our forward line...Because honestly... we can't rely on Hogan when we haven't even see him play a game at AFL level yet. Then next year, seeing how it's a midfielder's draft apparently, we get a few midfielders via either trade, free agency, or draft. Simple...instead of taking a MASSIVE risk on Lever.

Edited October 29, 2014 by Moneider96