Players to target at the end of the year

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

10 posts in a row, dee-luded. Wow. I'm impressed - or concerned, not sure which.

I've merged them all in to one mega-post, for everyone's enjoyment.

lol

Here I was thinking he'd finally learned to use the multi-quote button.

Throw everything at Prestia IMHO. It's a long shot but I think we have to try.

[rpfc 27,646]

This is where we head into stmj as a glorious genius because if we are to get Prestia/Danger/insertgreatplayerhere it will most likely be because of Frawley leaving a hole in our salary cap and a top 5 pick behind.

I just want the surety of it though...

But I can't have it.

So I am comfortable in the knowledge that whatever happens we will be fine.

Unless we don't recruit well...

But that's a different thread.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

This is where we head into stmj as a glorious genius because if we are to get Prestia/Danger/insertgreatplayerhere it will most likely be because of Frawley leaving a hole in our salary cap and a top 5 pick behind.

I just want the surety of it though...

But I can't have it.

So I am comfortable in the knowledge that whatever happens we will be fine.

Unless we don't recruit well...

But that's a different thread.

Surely you're more comfortable, (even if not 100% comfortable) in knowing we are in much better hands as a club and a much more attractive option for players with the obvious changes in personell, list changes and the way we're now playing..

I won't argue with the genius comment.

The possibility of bringing a genuine A grade mid to this club would clearly be hugely increased with the departure of Frawley

I think what I think about most is the future of the club and how we're going to jump from being where we are now, to one of the dominant clubs of the AFL.

The most important question regarding the Frawley situation is this: If he stays, will he be a genuine leader and inspire this next young group of players in Viney, Tyson, JKH, Salem etc to push themselves to a level they never knew existed? Will he be the catalyst to inspire further positive change at this club?

My answer is no, he won't. He doesn't possess the personality not does he command that from the players. He's been in our system for too long and he doesn't get it.

When you view the situation in that context, and then think about the pick we'd be getting for him and the potential return for it. Which could be anything from a star mid/player who has the ability to POSITIVELY inspire and influence our young brigade and club or a gem in the draft who might take some time but could be the player we need to help take us forward, the choice is easy..

Frawley is a passenger. He always will be. There is no chance of him being our 'Luke Hodge, Buddy Franklin, Gary Ablett', (insert any genuine list/club chaner). Sure aspects of his game are handy and he's a big monster of a bloke, but if you think about what our club is DESPERATE for... Then you'd be welcoming the prospect of him leaving.

Paul Roos has stated we're crying out for midfield game breakers and class. If that doesn't say to you that we'll be going hard again for players at the end of the year, I don't know what will. I know he's said he'd like Frawley to stay but I'm not so sure that's the honest truth. He'd know we still need to bring in fresh minds, strong personalities and genuine club changers.

Demonland, it's time to let go of some of your beloved players for growth of our club. Realise that we need to take these opportunities if we want to see Melbourne rise strongly. Be confident that we can nab a star or at least pick well and develop that player the right way with fantastic coaches and leaders.

It's time.

Edited July 2, 2014 by stevethemanjordan

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

And for the for every other poster out there who continually brings up the old, 'well look at what early draft picks have done for the club in recent years'..... Give it a [censored] rest.

If you STILL can't see that our FD was clearly absolutely incompetent back then (which included coaches, development coaches, recruiters and even the leaders of our club at the time), then you'd realise the draft picks we inherited and their performance for us/performances still for us WERE A DIRECT RESULT of the failed FD.

New FD, competent coaches, (some of the best in Roos and Stone), real leaders, (Cross, Jones and Dawes) and a beefed up recruiting team with a very highly regarded head recruiter.

It's clear as [censored] day that our draft picks are in a lot better hands these days.

[rpfc 27,646]

I have always agreed with the notion that we will be fine if he leaves - there is even a possibility we would be better, but it is not a fait accompli, and that is why, if Frawley turned around and said 'Paul, I'm signing with the Dees,' we will keep him.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

I have always agreed with the notion that we will be fine if he leaves - there is even a possibility we would be better, but it is not a fait accompli, and that is why, if Frawley turned around and said 'Paul, I'm signing with the Dees,' we will keep him.

Yes, I'm sure Roos would keep him..

But I'm also sure the ammunition we'd receive from

Frawley would also be on Roos' mind.

I definitely don't think it's a 'must keep Frawley at all costs' type situation.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

We still have the worst midfield in the comp, both talent wise and depth wise

rubbish

[rpfc 27,646]

rubbish

Can you name a worse midfield?

St Kilda might be, GWS right at this moment, Richmond? Carlton?

He's not far off...

[hulkhogan666 142]

I wouldn't call our midfield the worst, but certainly ain't the best. The thing is we have young mids that are still learning (barring the obvious N Jones, Cross, Vince), guys like Tyson, Viney, Salem, blah blah, will only get better. It's not like we have a mature aged midfield and they aren't doing the job, our case at the moment is that we have a young midfield that are starting to tire. In a few years we'll have a ripper midfield, just you watch.

[Nasher 33,166]

rubbish

Jones Viney Tyson Cross Vince

You will note that there are only 5 players there. Therein lies the problem. The other part is that two of the five are pups and haven't developed consistent performances yet.

We have a midfield nucleus of 3 players, one of whom is 31 years old. Our midfield still stinks.

[Axis of Bob 10,390]

We're currently last in clearances and lack classy finishers.

It's not a great endorsement for our midfield.

[nutbean 8,837]

cross Rosa off the list.

[nutbean 8,837]

We're currently last in clearances and lack classy finishers.

It's not a great endorsement for our midfield.

What's really sad is I think we have progressed miles from last year - but apparently not !

[Ted Lasso 17,144]

What's really sad is I think we have progressed miles from last year - but apparently not !

It's not entirely surprising, we are essentially relying on Viney and Tyson to win our clearances, both are around the 20 game mark, when they get close to the 100 game mark and we have a well developed Jesse Hogan up front we will be a very tough prospect

I reckon we need another couple of really good mids though, for us to be a finals team blokes like Terlich, M.Jones, Bail and co have to be seriously struggling to get a game, I reckon we will draft petracca with our first pick and trade the other, offer Prestia a massive deal to leave the suns, or Dangerfield big dollars, Dangerfield improves our midfield 20% the moment he walks in, they can have Toumpas and pick 5 for him

[Pennant St Dee 11,499]

Can you name a worse midfield?

St Kilda might be, GWS right at this moment, Richmond? Carlton?

He's not far off...

Meth Coast's midfield is overated and very undersized, a lot left to Priddis.

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

Meth Coast's midfield is overated and very undersized, a lot left to Priddis.

Agreed.

Their forward structure makes their mids look very very good.

Having said that, they're not horrible.

[nutbean 8,837]

Daniel Cross = Stannis Baratheon

[samcantstandya 953]

I raised the possibility of Vickery about 4-6 weeks ago.

I wouldn't be surprised or dismayed if Roos made a run for him.

Definitely a Roos-type pick up.

His value is at an all-time low so we could get him cheap, he clearly has attributes that he should be using a lot more effectively, has worn out his welcome at his original club, and he looks like he desperately needs a change of scenery.

Go Roosy. Get him.

Even if he's only an extra ruck and forward option for the next 2 years.

I'd back Roos to get more out of him than any other coach.

The computer says no.

[samcantstandya 953]

Evans/Fitzy contracted for next year. Blease/McKenzie/Nicholson are not, could find themselves delisted.

I'd keep Blease - Mckenzie & Nicholson can't kick - so they shouldn't play "football"

[Binmans PA 26,513]

rubbish

18th for clearances. The stats say they are. Doesn't mean we can't expect some improvement out of the younger guys.

[Bang Bang Bang 5,560]

Sylvia, Mclean, Morton Scully were all affected by poor coaching and development. Trengove aswell but injury has halted him a bit aswell. Toumpas is doing what he should have last year and thats developing in the twos. I cant wait to see what Roos will do to Trenners and Toump.

I think we just need to back our coaching staff on this one this time. Go through the draft and get Petracca and Brayshaw.

I could see Petracca making an instant impact up forward for us straight away.

I personally think 'poor coaching and development' is a cop-out. It's not the coaches fault that Sylvia was lazy, McLean was slow, Morton was soft and Scully couldn't kick. All those players have played under at least 2 coaches and none of them have done any better outside the MFC, in fact I'd argue they have been worse. I think the facts are they just weren't that good. You can say bad drafting but at the time they were considered good picks, which is sort of what I was getting at. A top 5 pick should get you a gun but often it doesn't. Roos has almost a 100% track record with trades over many years in footy so I'd back him to turn one of the picks into a golden trade once more.

[JackVineyForPresident 310]

i saw something about Melbourne being interested in Carlisle from the bombers. Would love him!

[What 18,810]

i saw something about Melbourne being interested in Carlisle from the bombers. Would love him!

Ive never been impressed by him

Has he played a good game this year? All Ive heard from him is his whinging about Bomber Thompson playing him forward

Anyway its a moot point since hes about to be banned for 2 years

Edited July 3, 2014 by hogans_heroes

[JackVineyForPresident 310]

Ive never been impressed by him

Has he played a good game this year? All Ive heard from him is his whinging about Bomber Thompson playing him forward

Anyway its a moot point since hes about to be banned for 2 years

He's been great when down back. So played well when in the backline..

I heard that he didnt take the drugs, but if he did, no deal.

[Machsy 2,858]

Would kill for Carlisle.

I was hoping for him pre-draft, but went on to be surprised how good he has been at times at Essendon.

Being forced forward hasn't helped him, but the kid can be an elite defender.

I'd give our 2nd rounder for him, maybe more.