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If we have a great year it will help, but once again, we can match any offer that's put to him. If he wants to go he'll have to deal, as will the club he's heading to.

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      On 30/01/2014 at 12:45, biggestred said:

    It says hes not holding out till the end of the year, just until he sees the direction the club is going

    Yeah, true, but doesn't fill me with excitement either way. Anyway, we'll see!

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    While I think the chances are slim that he'll stay if this is another poor season, the fact that he's not waiting until the end of the season is encouraging. If we can at least show signs of promise, it'll help. Hell, if we can have 4 or 5 wins on the board by the middle of the season, he might sign on the dotted line.

    Interesting that Roos' 2 year contract seems to be a bit of a complication. I imagine a large portion of the playing group want him for 3 years minimum, lest he leaves at the end of 2015 and the club falls back into disarray. I'd hate to think we end up back in this situation next year with Hogan (assuming he has a breakout year).

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      On 30/01/2014 at 12:39, Undeeterred said:

    Frawley puts off contract talks until the end of the year.

    http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/defender-james-frawley-puts-contract-talks-with-melbourne-demons-on-hold-20140130-31pq5.html

    We all know what that means!

    I just wish some of them would have the balls to come out and say 'I'm holding out for the money'.

    Mahoney said Frawley had only indicated he wanted to wait before discussing contracts and had not said he wanted to wait until the end of the season.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/defender-james-frawley-puts-contract-talks-with-melbourne-demons-on-hold-20140130-31pq5.html#ixzz2rtAUqVlL

    So which part of reading do you have a problem with???? or should I say comprehension???

    If I was James that's what I would do, there have been so many false promises at the MFC that it makes sense to wait and see. I reckon we will head in the right direction and he will sign before the half way mark of the season.

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    The difference between a rival offer and our matching it (while paying 95% of the SC) is, in the equivilent of a "rounding error".

    James is entitled to not the see ball come flying into the backline so often and so fast. Must be hard for him having been there for the shyte years.

    However, leadership is an interesting concept in these truncated careers. If I got only 10 years in my peak earnings phase, as someone coming in with zero assets and plenty of dependencies, then I would look to maximise that. As would most folks if they're being honest.

    But is leadership in this short context transportable? Does running away from something as one of the better players in a train wreck = commercial value (and does it constitute leadership?) ?

    End of ramble....

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      On 30/01/2014 at 13:41, rjay said:

    Mahoney said Frawley had only indicated he wanted to wait before discussing contracts and had not said he wanted to wait until the end of the season.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/defender-james-frawley-puts-contract-talks-with-melbourne-demons-on-hold-20140130-31pq5.html#ixzz2rtAUqVlL

    So which part of reading do you have a problem with???? or should I say comprehension???

    If I was James that's what I would do, there have been so many false promises at the MFC that it makes sense to wait and see. I reckon we will head in the right direction and he will sign before the half way mark of the season.

    Yep, see you're point on timing and made that change.

    Nevertheless, I think players and managers know how to handle the media, as do clubs. If he were keen on staying, he'd say he was working through discussions. The bluntness of the message is the key here.

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    Can anyone tell me how this restricted free agency thing works? If we match an offer from another club is Chip locked in to the terms of that contract with us? By that I mean the length of the contract. So for example if the Suns were to offer 6 or 8 years for X dollars and we match it, is Chip locked in to being a Dee for that period? If so this could work out in our favour and it would be smart management to make sure our gun players fall out of contract in their restricted years rather than unrestricted years.

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      On 30/01/2014 at 12:50, tatu said:

    Sounds like he's gone to me...

    If the talk is that he's definitely leaving, I hardly think he would've been included in the leadership group following an extensive Leading Teams process. His attitude towards the club and his future would've come out loud and clear through that.

    It'll be a big contract year for Frawley, particularly given that he'll be arguably the most sought after restricted free agent, and I suspect his manager's telling him to cool his jets for a while on the contract talks (ie, wait and see how the club performs AND what other offers are likely to be on the table). In short, no need to rush - it's only the pre season and there's a long way to go.

    Not necessarily good, or bad - it just seems to be a very commercial approach IMO.

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    The best way to handle this is to accept that he will go elsewhere... no emotional involvement, just enjoy his final season with the Dees. I repeat, "do not get emotionally involved".

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    Who could blame him?

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    Can't blame I'm for waiting to see what happens with the club both on and off field this year.

    If he stays, we have one of the best defenders in the comp for years to come.

    If he goes, we should be looking at - given his age and any contract offer he'll receive - band 1 compensation for losing him.

    I'd rather he stays, of course.

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    I reckon he'll stay.

    And that's because I reckon we'll show some good signs this year. And, I suspect, all things being equal, he doesn't actually want to leave.

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    Just found out that he is a restricted free agent. Surely we will match his offer which means that we either keep him, or get a decent player in return.

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      On 30/01/2014 at 19:58, waynewussell said:

    The best way to handle this is to accept that he will go elsewhere... no emotional involvement, just enjoy his final season with the Dees. I repeat, "do not get emotionally involved".

    I don't know how you follow the club - but my affection for the club, and certain of its players, isn't altogether logical. Or clinical.

    And that's why I've stuck with the club for so bloody long. I should've stopped watching the Dees following our loss to the Dockers in the second semi final in 2006. Because, as a supporter, it's largely been a waste of a lot of time (and $$$) since then.

    In short, I can't turn off the tap emotionally on matters that adversely impact upon the club. When, and if I do, I'll just be another of those 'Dees' supporters who spends all winter skiing at Hotham, hasn't watched a game since the Granny in 2000, hasn't ever bought a membership, and yet who claims to be a 'died in the wool' Dees supporter.

    Required players (potentially) electing to leave the club are not in the 'whatever' category for me.

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    he wasnt smiling either....

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      On 30/01/2014 at 20:48, Ron Burgundy said:

    I don't know how you follow the club - but my affection for the club, and certain of its players, isn't altogether logical. Or clinical.

    And that's why I've stuck with the club for so bloody long. I should've stopped watching the Dees following our loss to the Dockers in the second semi final in 2006. Because, as a supporter, it's largely been a waste of a lot of time (and $$$) since then.

    In short, I can't turn off the tap emotionally on matters that adversely impact upon the club. When, and if I do, I'll just be another of those 'Dees' supporters who spends all winter skiing at Hotham, hasn't watched a game since the Granny in 2000, hasn't ever bought a membership, and yet who claims to be a 'died in the wool' Dees supporter.

    Required players (potentially) electing to leave the club is not in the 'whatever' category for me.

    I don't know if these supporters actually exist. There is no snow all winter at Hotham or any other mountain in Oz for that matter!

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