Voss Sacked

[The Chazz 4,077]

Interesting they announce it on the same night Essendrug get hammered. WOn't be much bad press........

Jnr, it just proves how much Victorian-based AFL news is irrelevant in Queensland. Voss made front page of the Courier Mail today. His "news" made pages 78-79, the Essendrug affair had something on page 78.

People (generally Victorians) think that all things AFL is big news across all states of Australia. Some on here have even suggested we announce sponsors at certain times to get maximum exposure. In Queensland, no one gives a toss what happens to Victorian clubs.

[Maldonboy38 6,406]

Voss for MFC midfield coach in 2014?

[rjay 25,222]

A maverick doctor can happen and the board were smart to insist on a 3 month pay out clause for Schwab. Clubs make these decisions.

No doubt the Brisbane people ran a tight ship and were stiff to be in a position where they need a spare $3m in the kitty. IMO there must be some issues over at the Lions to create a situation where they recruited Fevola and other duds, lost good players, sacked a favourite son and are in deep shite over money. They don't get any pity from me.

The board were absolutely derelict in their duty to extend his contract twice.

[old dee 23,938]

Voss for MFC midfield coach in 2014?

No Thank you!

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

A maverick doctor can happen and the board were smart to insist on a 3 month pay out clause for Schwab. Clubs make these decisions.

No doubt the Brisbane people ran a tight ship and were stiff to be in a position where they need a spare $3m in the kitty. IMO there must be some issues over at the Lions to create a situation where they recruited Fevola and other duds, lost good players, sacked a favourite son and are in deep shite over money. They don't get any pity from me.

A maverick doctor should never happen if you have good Board protocols and governance. Essendon are clearly regretting that now. It was inept for a Board to extend the contract of Schwab when the club was under investigation. It raises the issue what changed in a couple of months that they see fit to sack the CEO they gave a 2 year contract to. I understand his payout was at least six months. Avoidable and unnecessary if the Board had acted properly.

There were Board issues and governance failures when Fevola contract was agreed to. The Chairman and a Director approved the deal with Board approval and circumvented agreed procedures. Both individuals rightly resigned for their part. Boss's golden boy status saved his goose but his list strategy was reckless, incompetent and damaging and would have clearly impacted his coaching outcome.

[mjt 640]

No Thank you!

Who would want a Brownlow medalist and 3 time flag winning skipper as a midfield coach.

[John Crow Batty 8,880]

One of Voss,s other big failing was to continue to rely on a strategy based around getting the ball to an ageging Johnathon Brown at all costs. Living on past glories up there and an old boys club. Kept Voss for too long. Should have gone two years ago.

Edited August 14, 2013 by america de cali

[old dee 23,938]

Who would want a Brownlow medalist and 3 time flag winning skipper as a midfield coach.

Get a few players before you get hung up on a mid field coach.

[Guest]

It just goes to show that throwing pebbles into the ocean can create huge tidal waves later on.
I think Vossy might be a decent head coach. I believe the players were with him for the most part (Daniel Bradshaw and Michael Rischitelli definitely weren't at the end). If he told you he knew how to make you a winner or Mark Neeld, who would you believe could do so?

It might seem harsh on an individual but Melbourne shouldn't rule out Voss as a candidate but he should be nowhere near the top of the list. I would actually be a little more enthusiastic about him now than others were 5 years ago (I remember those incessant GET VOSS NOW!! threads on the 'Ology). He made one HUGE mistake and if he hasn't learnt from it, I would be suprised. That being said, he still doesn't have the track record of a Choco Williams or Rocket Eade (my personal choice).

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,465]

No finals in past four seasons is tuff on an interstate club.

[Deespicable 2,886]

It just goes to show that throwing pebbles into the ocean can create huge tidal waves later on.

I think Vossy might be a decent head coach. I believe the players were with him for the most part (Daniel Bradshaw and Michael Rischitelli definitely weren't at the end). If he told you he knew how to make you a winner or Mark Neeld, who would you believe could do so?

It might seem harsh on an individual but Melbourne shouldn't rule out Voss as a candidate but he should be nowhere near the top of the list. I would actually be a little more enthusiastic about him now than others were 5 years ago (I remember those incessant GET VOSS NOW!! threads on the 'Ology). He made one HUGE mistake and if he hasn't learnt from it, I would be suprised. That being said, he still doesn't have the track record of a Choco Williams or Rocket Eade (my personal choice).

I agree with you that Vossy learnt a big lesson over the Fev and recycled player thing but he had just come off a first year where his side made the finals and I think he thought they were still in a premiership window.

To me he should be right up there in our thinking for next year because he has had great success developing his midfield - Rockliff, Redden, Rich and more recently Mayes and Hanley.

He would be instantly respected by our players and he has charisma and leadership abilities - something that puts him ahead of Eade.

The two things I'd want to check out are:

1) It was reported that some players were ante him - if it's just guys like Polec who aren't getting a game then its understandable but report suggested Rockliff wasn't happy, so I would think our club should find out why.

2) What is his game plan - the Lions seem to like to go up the corridor and when they play well they can upset good teams, but often they lose to weakish sides. is that because they persist with going up the middle and get caught out on counterattack etc?

[old dee 23,938]

No finals in past four seasons is tuff on an interstate club.

None in seven years is tough on a Victorian one.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I agree with you that Vossy learnt a big lesson over the Fev and recycled player thing but he had just come off a first year where his side made the finals and I think he thought they were still in a premiership window.

To me he should be right up there in our thinking for next year because he has had great success developing his midfield - Rockliff, Redden, Rich and more recently Mayes and Hanley.

He would be instantly respected by our players and he has charisma and leadership abilities - something that puts him ahead of Eade.

How do you know he has learned anything from the debacle? For some one who had experienced sustained success and what is required his foul up with Fevola and then Johnstone was destructively naive and was labelled as such when it became public.

As far as developing their midfield the players are honest steak and veg midfielders and their quality is middle of the road. Burnt himself by losing Rischitelli. And when Brown retires at year end there is a big gaping hole that Henderson could have part filled.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

It just goes to show that throwing pebbles into the ocean can create huge tidal waves later on.

I think Vossy might be a decent head coach. I believe the players were with him for the most part (Daniel Bradshaw and Michael Rischitelli definitely weren't at the end). If he told you he knew how to make you a winner or Mark Neeld, who would you believe could do so?

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Neither. And I would not want him to tell me how to be Mark Neeld either.

[DeeMfc 621]

How do you know he has learned anything from the debacle? For some one who had experienced sustained success and what is required his foul up with Fevola and then Johnstone was destructively naive and was labelled as such when it became public.

As far as developing their midfield the players are honest steak and veg midfielders and their quality is middle of the road. Burnt himself by losing Rischitelli. And when Brown retires at year end there is a big gaping hole that Henderson could have part filled.

Matthews recruited Johnston. The rest is a fair summation though.

[mjt 640]

It's amazing that a guy that coached a side to beat Geelong when they where nearly 10 goals down only 3 weeks ago got the ass, I would say that Roos was locked in more than 3 months ago, you would have to think that PJ would have Voss on his list now, the guys not the best going around but he was great on field leader and the Lions would want to hope that Roos improves them dramatically because there supporters think of him like we do with Robbie Flower, IMO the Lions where tracking well and apart from the Fevola trade I thought they recruited well, I would have no problem with Voss coaching Melbourne.

Edited August 14, 2013 by mjt

[NowWeKnow 130]

I kind of thought Voss would have been well liked and respected amongst the playing group but reports today suggest there was some tension between him and some players (Rockliff was mentioned).

So it will be interesting to see how Brisbane respond to the sacking. Is it possible the Lions will be a bit of a mess this week and GWS could snag a win? Could this sacking put us in danger of winning another spoon?

I suspect we can rest easy in the abilities of Sheedy to secure a loss for GWS.

[Guest]

Neither. And I would not want him to tell me how to be Mark Neeld either.

Very clever Rhino. Now you have gotten that off your chest, you can return to your usual Wednesday evening activity of threatening the image staring back at you from the mirror, Travis Bickle style.

Edited August 14, 2013 by Guest

[beelzebub 23,389]

Get a few players before you get hung up on a mid field coach.

ffs OD go sit in the corner...go on.... bloody logical bugger

[Red Demon 67]

Take the Fevola debacle aside and the Lions have traded/drafted pretty bloody well recently. He cops a lot of stick (rightly so) for that trading period but Staker and Raines have been very good for them.

They have Rich, Redden, Rockliffe, Mayes, Harwood, Polec, Leuenberger, Hanley, Zorko, and Beams running through that midfield - pretty bloody good considering they are all pretty much under 21/22. They need to find a key forward though - I think they will chase a big name player now that Black and Brown's salary could be off the books come the end of the year.

Living in Brisbane I see a lot of the Lions play. A lot to like about their list going forward - Voss cops it because of the Fev trade but he has set up the next coach pretty well.

[old dee 23,938]

ffs OD go sit in the corner...go on.... bloody logical bugger

Ok But do I have to wear this pointy hat bb??

[old dee 23,938]

Take the Fevola debacle aside and the Lions have traded/drafted pretty bloody well recently. He cops a lot of stick (rightly so) for that trading period but Staker and Raines have been very good for them.

They have Rich, Redden, Rockliffe, Mayes, Harwood, Polec, Leuenberger, Hanley, Zorko, and Beams running through that midfield - pretty bloody good considering they are all pretty much under 21/22. They need to find a key forward though - I think they will chase a big name player now that Black and Brown's salary could be off the books come the end of the year.

Living in Brisbane I see a lot of the Lions play. A lot to like about their list going forward - Voss cops it because of the Fev trade but he has set up the next coach pretty well.

Perhaps we should amalgamate RD I like the look of that midfield!

[felixdacat 459]

Article is by Jon Ralph...holds no weight whatsoever. The guy is less reliable than a weatherman.

Actually this article does as it quotes directly what Roos has stated on record to the paper. Jon Ralph may be loose with pieces that have speculation and opinion but when you directly quote a person you have to get it right or else there could be consequences. So unless Paul Roos has come out and said that what was written in the paper was incorrect you can be sure the weight of the piece is quite good.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Very clever Rhino. Now you have gotten that off your chest, you can return to your usual Wednesday evening activity of threatening the image staring back at you from the mirror, Travis Bickle style.

No wonder your avatar depicts you with a black hood.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Matthews recruited Johnston. The rest is a fair summation though.

Oops. You are right. I withdraw that assertion on Voss re Travis.