Does the MFC deserve draft assistance?

[mjt 640]

I'd be staggered if we got a PP at the start of the draft.

Of course we will , if GWS get it again thats 4 number 1 picks in 3 years plus maybe buddy.

[ThreeOneSix 953]

Of course we will , if GWS get it again thats 4 number 1 picks in 3 years plus maybe buddy.

Yeah, I don't think we'll get a pick before the first round, it's likely to be before the second.

But... It really is hard to predict.

For instance, do the AFL want us to just be competitive, or do they want us to be a powerhouse club again.

If it is the latter, then it's possible that the AFL will give us pick 1, but if the AFL bow to other clubs, we'll get a later PP.

[Clark_Kent 315]

I think mid-first round would be fair. We can still use that either in a trade for Adams or we could probably get another handy mid such as Sheed or Dunstan as one will likely slip to that number. I feel that with pick 1 there is too much pressure on the club on what to do with it whereas a mid first round pick gives us more options.

[rjay 23,997]

Priority pick means first pick to me.

[sydneydee 651]

If we got picks 1 and 3, If they'd take it, I would trade pick 1 to GWS for pick 2 and Taylor Adams, then use 2 & 3 on the best midfield talent in the draft.

We don't need Boyd. We need midfield grunt.

Or straight swap of Shiel & Adams for pick 1

[Ouch! 2,043]

Yeah, I don't think we'll get a pick before the first round, it's likely to be before the second.

But... It really is hard to predict.

For instance, do the AFL want us to just be competitive, or do they want us to be a powerhouse club again.

If it is the latter, then it's possible that the AFL will give us pick 1, but if the AFL bow to other clubs, we'll get a later PP.

One extra pick wherever we get it will not make us a powerhouse. Be it Pick 1, 5 or 20.

That said... a pick at the start of the draft would turn the fortunes of the MFC around faster purely on it's trade value alone.

I still favour a mini-draft pick option rather than an actual pick in the draft. I think that gives us the best chance to trade with established clubs (Geelong, Sydney, Hawthorn etc) who might be prepared to let a player go if it meant getting access to a top line 17yr old and developing them in their system for a year. I think that Crouch and O'Meara have proven to be a big success due to the way they have been introduced into the AFL system, We all know how Hogan is developing, and Martin sounds like he will be a gun too. The AFL may have stumbled onto a very good initiative with the mini-draft concept, and I would like to see it continue... in the form of part of their equilisation strategy.

and it starts with us!

[Redleg 37,933]

Priority pick means first pick to me.

And to me.

For a club previously that won insufficient games over 2 years it was pick 1. We are in that position now, are being tipped to lose to the bottom side this week, have been described as pathetic on field and have been down for 7 years.

While the AFL have said the automatic right to the PP has ended, they have reserved the right to award it themselves, based on circumstances of a club at the relevant time.

If they use the criteria previously used and feel that we fit within that criteria, one would have to assume it is pick 1 we are talking about, or some other form of draft assistance that is at least the equal of pick 1. Pick 10, 20 or 30 is not the equal of pick 1.

I think the AFL have to give us this type of assistance if they are serious about us improving and becoming competitive.

Of course the pick alone won't be the panacea, but it will be one of the vital ingredients, along with good coaching, proper player development, smart drafting/trading, adequate football funding, proper administration of the club etc.

I have said before, if we don't get the maximum assistance this year, no club will again. The AFL don't want to have that restriction.

Edited July 31, 2013 by Redleg

[ThreeOneSix 953]

Or straight swap of Shiel & Adams for pick 1

In a heart beat, I'd even straight swap that pick for Shiel alone.

[Demonsterative 2,094]

Or straight swap of Shiel & Adams for pick 1

I like it. Lock it in Eddie.

[Grimes is Great 183]

Libba from dogs would be nice. Give them pick 1 we get Libba & pick 4.

[What 18,810]

We deserve pick 1.

Its not the fans fault that Cameron Schwab and the board drove us into the ground.

The new coach and his staff need a carrot, and pick 1 is it. (along with Jesse Hogan of course)

[Binmans PA 26,398]

I'd go Adams, but not for pick 1. That's paying massive overs.

[Demonsterative 2,094]

We deserve pick 1. Its not the fans fault that Cameron Schwab and the board drove us into the ground. The new coach and his staff need a carrot, and pick 1 is it. (along with Jesse Hogan of course)

I agree HH, it's a no brained really.

[daisycutter 28,671]

We deserve pick 1.

Its not the fans fault that Cameron Schwab and the board drove us into the ground.

The new coach and his staff need a carrot, and pick 1 is it. (along with Jesse Hogan of course)

Dr Poo would disagree with this assertion

[Ted Lasso 17,057]

gws just need time and they will be a force, we are far less certain so pick 1 and 3 i think would be fair, providing we use it well

[ThreeOneSix 953]

We deserve pick 1.

Its not the fans fault that Cameron Schwab and the board drove us into the ground.

The new coach and his staff need a carrot, and pick 1 is it. (along with Jesse Hogan of course)

In a way I can see where oppositon fans come from though - in voicing their distain about us receiving more high picks, especially Bullies fans.

Consider this, when we got Scully compo, we cashed out there - whilst the Bullies got bugger all for Ward, who looks 3 times the player Scully is.

On top of that, we got Viney for an absolute steal.

All the cards have fallen our way the past few years in terms of being lucky - or assisted by the AFL with the Scully compo.

Now, these sides have to sit back and watch us received the number 1 pick, after we've already had a lot of breaks.

So, I see why opposition fans are frustrated.

All in all, it probably just highlights our development - or lack thereof.... Because, surely it's development and not recruiting, Trengove did look a legitimate A grade gun when drafted and even in his first year and now he looks like an absolute plodder.

[Binmans PA 26,398]

In a way I can see where oppositon fans come from though - in voicing their distain about us receiving more high picks, especially Bullies fans.

Consider this, when we got Scully compo, we cashed out there - whilst the Bullies got bugger all for Ward, who looks 3 times the player Scully is.

On top of that, we got Viney for an absolute steal.

All the cards have fallen our way the past few years in terms of being lucky - or assisted by the AFL with the Scully compo.

Now, these sides have to sit back and watch us received the number 1 pick, after we've already had a lot of breaks.

So, I see why opposition fans are frustrated.

All in all, it probably just highlights our development - or lack thereof.... Because, surely it's development and not recruiting, Trengove did look a legitimate A grade gun when drafted and even in his first year and now he looks like an absolute plodder.

Yeah, except they played in three straight prelims less than five years ago. We've had seven years of bottom six rubbish.

[pantaloons 2,019]

In a way I can see where oppositon fans come from though - in voicing their distain about us receiving more high picks, especially Bullies fans.

Consider this, when we got Scully compo, we cashed out there - whilst the Bullies got bugger all for Ward, who looks 3 times the player Scully is.

On top of that, we got Viney for an absolute steal.

All the cards have fallen our way the past few years in terms of being lucky - or assisted by the AFL with the Scully compo.

Now, these sides have to sit back and watch us received the number 1 pick, after we've already had a lot of breaks.

So, I see why opposition fans are frustrated.

All in all, it probably just highlights our development - or lack thereof.... Because, surely it's development and not recruiting, Trengove did look a legitimate A grade gun when drafted and even in his first year and now he looks like an absolute plodder.

I think anyone who wants to whinge is just that - a whinger. In seven seasons, we have won 34 games. In that time, we have had ONE first round priority pick. One, and the #1 pick that year bolted two years later. We should have been given pick 1 in return, but as it was, the only reason our compensation was so good was that we went unexpectedly down the toilet, helped in part by losing a midfielder we had just invested pick 1 on.

[Nasher 33,163]

Libba from dogs would be nice. Give them pick 1 we get Libba & pick 4.

Haha, yeah, reckon the Dogs would be scrambling to offload their best young player.

[ThreeOneSix 953]

I think anyone who wants to whinge is just that - a whinger. In seven seasons, we have won 34 games. In that time, we have had ONE first round priority pick. One, and the #1 pick that year bolted two years later. We should have been given pick 1 in return, but as it was, the only reason our compensation was so good was that we went unexpectedly down the toilet, helped in part by losing a midfielder we had just invested pick 1 on.

I do agree with you, but at the same time I understand where other sides are coming from to a certain extent.

[rhaz 342]

Haha, yeah, reckon the Dogs would be scrambling to offload their best young player.

and son of a former champion. Some of the trade theories that people throw up are ridiculous.

[Ted Lasso 17,057]

shiel and adams is probably abit more realistic than Libba, but i reckon we'd have to sweeten it before they would say yes, maybe pick 1 and jamar? they still looking for a ruckman?

[Machsy 2,858]

If we got picks 1 and 3, If they'd take it, I would trade pick 1 to GWS for pick 2 and Taylor Adams, then use 2 & 3 on the best midfield talent in the draft.

We don't need Boyd. We need midfield grunt.

It's a terrible bloody idea, as GWS would never go for it.

They don't even want Boyd and are shopping around the number 1 pick themselves in the assumption they'll get it.

SMH.

[Machsy 2,858]

For pick 1, I'd take a McRae or Stringer plus their 2nd round pick, or I'd take Clay Smith plus pick 5.

We may have to throw in maybe a 3rd round pick as a make weight.

That's a more realistic scenario.

Pick 1 (Boyd) is worth a lot more to the dogs.

GWS won't be giving up over the odds to get it.

They've got the basics of their forward line in place and just want to consolidate their talent.

[John Dee 439]

Back on the topic :

Do we deserve draft assistance? No, no team does, however the AFL has given draft assistance to many teams in the past. History will show that the automatic priority pick for lowly performance was the stupidest thing the AFL ever did. The pick being given at the whim of the commision should have always been the way to go.

Do I want our team do get draft assistance? You betcha, and the fact that it would upset the other 17 teams is one of the main reasons I want it!