The argument for "no rookie coaches ever again" is really dumb. All premiership coaches were rookies at some time or another. We need the right person. We need experience now, because we need to unite behind a name and get some immediate confidence.But Roos, Clarkson, Worsfold, Longmire are all great recent coaches who came into a club as a 1st time senior coach and became premiers. Don't just feel stuff... think!!!

  On 17/06/2013 at 05:31, Loyal Royal said:

Didn't Jeff say Clarkson (or people in general) shouldn't stay at the same place more than 5 or 7 years so a Clarko/Kennett move to the Dees would still work.

I think you might find there was a lot more to it than that and that it's likely bad blood exists between them.

  On 17/06/2013 at 05:14, Kureemy said:

Paul Roos done deal

Is this your opinion Kureemy or from a source?

Caro's view is we should take Williams.

Take that as you wish.

  On 17/06/2013 at 05:51, Maldonboy38 said:

The argument for "no rookie coaches ever again" is really dumb. All premiership coaches were rookies at some time or another. We need the right person. We need experience now, because we need to unite behind a name and get some immediate confidence.But Roos, Clarkson, Worsfold, Longmire are all great recent coaches who came into a club as a 1st time senior coach and became premiers. Don't just feel stuff... think!!!

My personal opinion is that there is far less certainty surrounding a "rookie coach".

Experience counts for a lot and we can't have someone learning on the job.

Having tried this route twice, consecutively and failed miserably, and given our predicament, I think it would be lunacy to go around again.

There are no guarantees even with a proven coach, but surely you can be more confident.

  On 17/06/2013 at 06:13, titan_uranus said:

Caro's view is we should take Williams.

Take that as you wish.

After all the crap that has been heaped on her she has turned out to be correct in a few areas.

I will add GD to that I used to hate him but again he got quite a few things right.

Both have gained credence in the last three months.

  On 17/06/2013 at 06:14, Tricky said:

My personal opinion is that there is far less certainty surrounding a "rookie coach".

Experience counts for a lot and we can't have someone learning on the job.

Having tried this route twice, consecutively and failed miserably, and given our predicament, I think it would be lunacy to go around again.

There are no guarantees even with a proven coach, but surely you can be more confident.

The big thing about getting a proven coach is they start with credibility.

That enables them to weather the very hard times ahead.

No one will be asking half way through the first year can this person coach?

We will all know they can, so it therefore must be the players.

  On 17/06/2013 at 06:13, titan_uranus said:

Caro's view is we should take Williams.

Take that as you wish.

The thing about Caroline Wilson is she knows nothing about football, I would say less than your average supporter.

Her strength is the relationship side if football, not what happens on game day.

  On 17/06/2013 at 06:20, old dee said:

The big thing about getting a proven coach is they start with credibility.

That enables them to weather the very hard times ahead.

No one will be asking half way through the first year can this person coach?

We will all know they can, so it therefore must be the players.

Entirely agree OD.

  On 17/06/2013 at 03:04, the master said:

Clarkson signed a 3 year deal extension with Hawthorn in 2011. So that means he'll be contracted for 2014 does it not?

So we'd not only have to offer him a massive deal to get him across but also he'd have to break his contract with Hawthorn. All on the back of leaving a top 4 club with a shot at a flag this year and next year. For a team in the biggest trouble in decades.

Oh and he played 40 odd games for us in 96 and 97, I'm not sure he'd really feel a great debt to the club.

We had our chance to get Clarkson in 2011. And instead of Lyon pleading with his mate, forcing him into a meeting at least and going as hard as possible he simply reached out to his manager and got knocked back.

Same story goes for Ross Lyon who I'm sure if we ponied up the cash that Freo did would've gladly kept the family in Melbourne.

how many total speculations can you rip out of your butt and fir in one post

Roos would be great but is unlikely.

Williams just might bring a friend over in Dustin Martin who is out of contract.

  On 17/06/2013 at 06:48, Curry & Beer said:

how many total speculations can you rip out of your butt and fir in one post

Well he undoubtedly signed a three year deal so to get him across we'd have to offer a huge deal that would make it worthwhile for him to fight Hawthorn or a deal where by someone caretaker coaches the team for an entire season that's not speculation.

I'm speculating he doesn't feel a great deal for the club he played 2 seasons with. When you are a career coach/player he's been at North, Werribee, Central Districs, Port and Hawthorn. After all that does he really love us. He also confirmed the other day there was an offer put to his manager but not directly to him, that's not speculation. I am speculating that if we made Ross Lyon a big deal like Freo did he would've been interested.

So the answer is two. And as far as I'm concerned they are much lesser speculations than the people who are blindly saying Clarkson will coach us.

To me it appears we had a window in 2011 to ambitiously get one of Lyon or Clarkson to take over a list on the rise at a club that was freshly debt free. Now here we are in 2013 facing massive losses that we mean fresh debt, a list in disarray and the coaching candidates (both experienced and inexperienced) seem rather limited.

  On 17/06/2013 at 06:54, Robbie57 said:

Roos would be great but is unlikely.

Williams just might bring a friend over in Dustin Martin who is out of contract.

I think you are dreaming Robbie57

He is a Richmond lock!

  On 17/06/2013 at 04:22, jazza said:

apollo bay had a position vacant , why not there?

a good seachange and close to the action in melbourne , so he couldve usurped a senoir coach from down here if needed

Because Hill Billy from the Otways has a 5 year contract there and is quite comfortable there.

#justaguess

  On 17/06/2013 at 05:14, Kureemy said:

Paul Roos done deal

So was Malthouse a few years ago.

Don't start to Kureem yourself just yet.

What are the odds that when on the couch starts tonight, instead of Gerard Healy waxing lyrical about the goings on of the day, we cut straight to Paul Roo's, resplendent in a pink shirt, and he just says "No".

this continues every week until the finals, or he smacks Mike Sheehan after Mike says "but thats what hirdy said" one time to many....

The best coach available.

Jeff Kennett!

Why do they call betting odds a 'market'? There is nothing being marketed but the allure of making money

I think Liam Pickering manages both Neeld and Clarkson. So, if we want Clarkson (and I'm not necessarily saying we do), Neeld had to go quickly so Pickering doesn't have a conflict of interest trying to protect Neeld's job. With Neeld gone, Pickering is freed up to be able to represent Clarkson.

Choco would be initial preference, but we should explore all options this time around and consider another first time coach. We need someone who is positive, willing to take risks and willing work with a smaller coaching team. (We would be better spending the money on recruiting.) It would be good to have a decision made before September.

  On 17/06/2013 at 02:41, hogans_heroes said:

that would be orgasmic

My vote for next coach is HOGANS_HEROES

Why would Melbourne want Rodney Eade? He left Western Bulldogs at the right time... they are in the same position as us but they are lucky they have a number of senior players who are helping them stay up there....

  On 17/06/2013 at 06:20, old dee said:

The big thing about getting a proven coach is they start with credibility.

That enables them to weather the very hard times ahead.

No one will be asking half way through the first year can this person coach?

We will all know they can, so it therefore must be the players.

Couldn't have put it better myself OD.

The only thing i would add to that is.....

1. An experienced successfull coach is potentially more marketable. Especially when trying for Friday night/Blockbuster exposure at some point (emphasis on "at some point")

2. Supporters, Sponsors and players are driven by hope, potential but most importantly that "winning" feeling and an expectancy that they might taste the ultimate in success. An experienced coach offers all of that and in the end will deliver something that goes someway towards fullfilling it subject to a complete disaster befalling him through injuries or well....a curse or something like that

3. Most supporters and sponsers will also get this and weather any short term storm/volatility and are more likely to stick fat for longer. Better on the bottom line generally. And we all know (as does AD) where that's at right now

A list of possible candidates for the MFC position that have been mentioned at some point by D'landers/Media etc as a possibility for the position no matter whether they be unlikely/unsuitable/considered almost unavailable or highly available/likely/suited etc and their winning % from all games coached during regular home and away matches (in order from highest to lowest %).

Coach / Win %

Thompson 62.60

Clarkson 59.09

Sheedy 58.88

Matthews 58.41

Roos 58.06

Craig 56.69

Williams 56.03

Eade 55.59

Worsfold 55.34

Ayres 55.21

Blight 54.63

Ratten 51.29

Pagan 50.31

Laidley 50.00

Daniher 48.58

Wallace 48.33

Hardwick 41.56

Knights 38.64

Voss 37.88

Eade in my opinion should be $2.50 favourite... He has stated tonight he would be interested in talking if Melbourne Football Club Wanted to approach him.

  On 17/06/2013 at 12:31, Rusty Nails said:

Couldn't have put it better myself OD.

The only thing i would add to that is.....

1. An experienced successfull coach is potentially more marketable. Especially when trying for Friday night/Blockbuster exposure at some point (emphasis on "at some point")

2. Supporters, Sponsors and players are driven by hope, potential but most importantly that "winning" feeling and an expectancy that they might taste the ultimate in success. An experienced coach offers all of that and in the end will deliver something that goes someway towards fullfilling it subject to a complete disaster befalling him through injuries or well....a curse or something like that

3. Most supporters and sponsers will also get this and weather any short term storm/volatility and are more likely to stick fat for longer. Better on the bottom line generally. And we all know (as does AD) where that's at right now

Rodney Eade Fits the bill and is open to talking if MFC is interested.. (360 Show on AFL Footy Channel tonight...