No offence to young Jimmy. I sure he is a lovely bloke and will be a good footballer. However I think we made a grave error in not drafting Ollie Wines. He had a ripper game. Can take a great overhead mark too. I know it's early days but Wines is ready to go now.

I dont agree. But time will tell. Toumpas was playing in a crap side with no structure and total chaos. Viney is unusually good for a first game player. The norm is little impact - even Wayne carey's first game was unremarkable and i was there.

Imagine how good Toumpas would've looked playing for Port.

However, for right now, Ollie and Viney would've been a good foundation to build on.

I'd still have taken Jimmy, but he's going to have some cold days playing with this lot.

Whilst its one thing to criticize the appalling play of our senior players, and apparent lack of game plan from our coach, it's seriously time to have a think. He's played one game in a team of hacks..

Close this thread and let's concentrate on real issues... Toumpas can have jeez maybe 10 weeks to assert himself..

Toumpas will be a good player (if we don't kill him as we do for all our draft picks) and so will Wines, but I think we needed to draft Toumpas over wines.

We need people with great skills and vision and Toumpas has it, Viney and Jone will be our inside mids.

Easy there. Would you like to play as a young outside mid for a team that gets smashed at stoppages? It's impossible.

Jimmy will be a very good player in time. Wines was supported by much more experience and accountability than Jimmy was today.

How many clubs wondered how they missed Gysberts after his first game? Time will tell.

This thread is off the mark IMO.

We sucked today in nearly every way but Toump will be a long term prospect for us. Give him a go first.

Not relevant, played one game. Outside player, completely different to Wines

Toumpy would of had 20 and 2 goals for port. But then again the reason port won was because they had guys liked every, hartlett

And boak killing us. Jimmy showed flashes, lets wait and see.

toumpas struggled with the pace and intensity for the first three quarters today undoubtedly, but it is ridiculously early to be making drafting assessments.

We didn't draft wines as he would have been too similar to viney, our needs were outside mids with pace and skills not more grunts.

I think the question is, have we ever drafted the RIGHT guy? B)

all jokes a side i thought he was quite good, looked lively when up forward.
plus his skills are quite silky.
Certainly not something to be worried about!

Dead set, some of you guys are unbelievable. Talk about blowing with the wind ...

There are a lot of things wrong about today.

Toumpas was not one of them.

Focus your energies where they belong - the experienced players.

Yes we did and I said it in October.

What we need right now is hard,tough inside mids giving it off to classy wingers coming in off the square like Toumpas and Trengove.

I'd take Viney/Wines over Trengove/Toumpas any day,and in a good team you need both but i'm just answering the question.

Getting the ball is where is starts,feeding it out to classy wingmen to distribute to our forwards is secondary and if you don't win the ball first,you can't distribute it.

We certainly did make a mistake in my opinion

Yes we did and I said it in October.

What we need right now is hard,tough inside mids giving it off to classy wingers coming in off the square like Toumpas and Trengove.

I'd take Viney/Wines over Trengove/Toumpas any day,and in a good team you need both but i'm just answering the question.

Getting the ball is where is starts,feeding it out to classy wingmen to distribute to our forwards is secondary and if you don't win the ball first,you can't distribute it.

and if there is no one making a well timed run to receive the tough inside mid has no one to distribute to.

Please, focus your energies on the real problems not at first game players being given nothing by more experienced team mates.

Wines v Toumpas

or

Wines v Hogan?

Hogan certainly looks the goods but with Clark/Dawes up forward I'm not sure drafting another key forward was smart given our glaring weakness in the midfield.

DAMN YOU TOUMPAS YOU'VE RUINED EVERYTHING YOU HACK

Can we close the thread now?

This genuinely is such a pathetic and unfair thread.

I have watched Toumpas pretty closely over the pre-season. He is clearly not ready for senior AFL footy.

Give him ten games at Casey to get some confidence then bring him in for the second half of the year.

Hopefully not but I have a bad feeling about this one. Wines is ready made and I would have thought he is exactly what we need now.

A shocking thread!!

fmd