AFL investigation

[beelzebub 22,225]

CAC was a sort of infrequent regular here..

Schwabby , a couple of times.

But they are the ones we KNOW

[old55 21,356]

Not even that many. The Chairman, Schwab and Bailey must know and I suppose CC. Nobody else.

If anything is in writing it's keystone cops stuff.

If you want a harmonious coaching box the assistants have to know.

I think all the board members have to know too - it's a pretty important strategic matter - they're giving their precious time FOC - if it was me and I strongly disagreed with the strategy, was not included in the decision and found out it happened I'd be ropeable - plausible deniability or not.

All the people who need to know must have skin in the game - it seems we had people who knew but who really had no influence or skin in the game.

[H_T 2,941]

But our opinions count for nothing really. What are we going to do, stage a sit in and demand an election.

You place far too much importance on a fan forum. Demonland is like Big Footy - it gives us a kick but the outside world see it as a joke and a pretty unpleasant one at that.

Last year on the WILSON thread, Ben_Hur had this to say to you about a salient point you made to him some time ago: -

Have you forgotten about the importance of the written word, which is why you took the time to stand up for the club under adversity ? It was a salient point you made to me many years ago. You were talking about on-line criticism of the club and the adverse impact it could have.

Of course you favoured the Board in those days.

[Sir Why You Little 34,600]

Was it here or 'ology that Craig Cameron used to visit at draft time and if my very dodgy memory serves me right I think Cam Schwab came on here as well .

yes both Craig & Cam have posted here

[dee-luded 2,958]

Would you not concede though that its as good a place as any to sow a seed ??

[dee-luded 2,958]

Demonland is a very good place to gauge opinions & emotions from a club perspective.

We are all paid up members who contribute 12 months per year.

If i was on the MFC board i would be a reader for sure.

Similar to ratings on TV. A sample Audience will be expanded to gauge the mass appeal or dislike of certain shows.

the main audience, for Melbourne demons passionate supporters, there would be nowhere better to gauge.

[Sir Why You Little 34,600]

So that's what Hazy looks like!! Good snap DL....

[dee-luded 2,958]

If you want a harmonious coaching box the assistants have to know.

I think all the board members have to know too - it's a pretty important strategic matter - they're giving their precious time FOC - if it was me and I strongly disagreed with the strategy, was not included in the decision and found out it happened I'd be ropeable - plausible deniability or not.

All the people who need to know must have skin in the game - it seems we had people who knew but who really had no influence or skin in the game.

Well we better be sure to NOT do anything against our elected Board members at all, or prior to the AFL handing down they're ironical dee-terminations.

some who new,, but with no skin it seems, in the games? > the AFL Commission today, & for the past 12 or so years.

who's skin will the AFL Commission wear, masquerading,, when tomorrow comes?

[dee-luded 2,958]

WJ, I had the impression you were desiring to fight for our Clubs reputation, & also for Schwab & Connoll's?

Have you changed your feelings about this?

Is our defence team going to fight the AFL, for the rights of Schwab & Connolly?

[Slartibartfast 15,820]

We are a focus group, all with one common interest, the MFC.

I think you'll find in the main we are considered a rather ignorant group of footy tragics who speculate on things and offer little insight. But if you want to pump up your own tires do so. I

Would you not concede though that its as good a place as any to sow a seed ??

No, I think it's a pretty stupid place to start. Just read this thread.

Was it here or 'ology that Craig Cameron used to visit at draft time and if my very dodgy memory serves me right I think Cam Schwab came on here as well .

They may read it but they wouldn't make any major decision based on what is written.

If you want a harmonious coaching box the assistants have to know.

I think all the board members have to know too - it's a pretty important strategic matter - they're giving their precious time FOC - if it was me and I strongly disagreed with the strategy, was not included in the decision and found out it happened I'd be ropeable - plausible deniability or not.

All the people who need to know must have skin in the game - it seems we had people who knew but who really had no influence or skin in the game.

Don't agree. Libba knew what was happening without a word being mentioned, it's why Carlton are safer than us. The Board need plausible deniability, you can't have that if they all know. The decision was obvious, everyone "knew" what was going on, but the assistants and the Board needed to say "no strategy around tanking was ever discussed or mentioned".

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Geez Fan, I might get clobbered on here. I am agreeing with more of what you say. As for "focus groups"???!!! Forum's of any description are about vested interest, that is why people participate in forums, as it either floats their individual boats or antagonises the BDM enthusiasts. The process of selecting focus groups is about profiling and selection, it is certainly not random. It is a bit like talkback radio hosts which claim their callers speak for the "silent majority" Absolute twaddle.

I just enjoy myself here

[Mazer Rackham 14,970]

It's somewhat amusing to read the suggestion that if we were to have the temerity to defend ourselves then this must somehow result in bankruptcy.

...

It's a straw argument to purport we go to court and go broke. This will never go to court nor was it going to. What needed to be understood by the inquisitors was our preparedness to do so, push come to shove. I.e we were/are willing to blow a mighty hole in the ivory tower lest you back off and F off !! It's. ploy, a gambit. But it's a reasonable and real one.

I'd rather we went to court and got into financial trouble, than roll over and take it.

This is a new MFC we're seeing and I'm liking it.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

I think you'll find in the main we are considered a rather ignorant group of footy tragics who speculate on things and offer little insight. But if you want to pump up your own tires do so. I

What an odd comment to make.

[Sir Why You Little 34,600]

I'd rather we went to court and got into financial trouble, than roll over and take it.

This is a new MFC we're seeing and I'm liking it.

i agree. If we roll over in any way to the AFL the club will die.

If it takes short term pain but the balls finally drop i will support the club all the way.

If we bend over and take a smack then it will be curtains for the MFC 1858.

[Slartibartfast 15,820]

Geez Fan, I might get clobbered on here. I am agreeing with more of what you say. As for "focus groups"???!!! Forum's of any description are about vested interest, that is why people participate in forums, as it either floats their individual boats or antagonises the BDM enthusiasts. The process of selecting focus groups is about profiling and selection, it is certainly not random. It is a bit like talkback radio hosts which claim their callers speak for the "silent majority" Absolute twaddle.

I just enjoy myself here

Be careful. Your about to join the small group who is conspiring to overthrow the incumbent Board, replace the CEO, put the coach on notice and financially ruin the Club. Not only that but we are singlehandedly responsible for the leaks to the press of the contents of a report we don't have about events that didn't happen. Sadly nobody has been able to nail our motive yet but when they do I'm sure we'll hear about it.

I enjoy myself here as well mostly. Don't forget that Demonland is read by many but only contributed to by a few.

Edited January 17, 2013 by Fan

[sue 8,450]

Perhaps Fan could suggest where else the MFC might get a free feel for what its fans (including Fan) might be thinking??

There may be reasons to give what they see here appropriate low weight and do other surveys etc, but I'd be very surprised if they didn't keep an eye on these forums. I'd go further and say they were negligent if they did not. If you think that is pumping up our tyres, so be it.

And yes, IVS, it is a bit like talk back radio. But name a political party other than maybe the Greens which doesn't take close note of the ranting that goes on there.

[Sir Why You Little 34,600]

I think you'll find in the main we are considered a rather ignorant group of footy tragics who speculate on things and offer little insight.

Well at least we know how you would value financial supporters of the club Fan.

Good on ya.

Training notes, every piece of club media debated and discussed on here and you dismiss it.

It gives a pretty good insight into what people are thinking on all levels.

Can be read anywhere & is always growing.

[Sir Why You Little 34,600]

Perhaps Fan could suggest where else the MFC might get a free feel for what its fans (including Fan) might be thinking??

And yes, IVS, it is a bit like talk back radio. But name a political party other than maybe the Greens which doesn't take close note of the ranting that goes on there.

Spot on.

Political parties follow the media trends daily to gauge perceptions.

People are paid to listen & watch.

The MFC can quietly oversee this sight for nothing.

[dee-luded 2,958]

Perhaps Fan could suggest where else the MFC might get a free feel for what its fans (including Fan) might be thinking??

There may be reasons to give what they see here appropriate low weight and do other surveys etc, but I'd be very surprised if they didn't keep an eye on these forums. I'd go further and say they were negligent if they did not. If you think that is pumping up our tyres, so be it.

And yes, IVS, it is a bit like talk back radio. But name a political party other than maybe the Greens which doesn't take close note of the ranting that goes on there.

Yes but Polls are meaningless! aren't they?

or is it only the polls at the AGM?

I feel dizzy, Which party are we anyway? spin, spin, 'oh' the AFL party, thats "right", or was that all thats 'left'???

Bring IT On!

[dee-luded 2,958]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLVbi7EK_OU

fresh air to cleanse the mind & think.

Edited January 17, 2013 by dee-luded

[nutbean 8,837]

i agree. If we roll over in any way to the AFL the club will die.

If it takes short term pain but the balls finally drop i will support the club all the way.

If we bend over and take a smack then it will be curtains for the MFC 1858.

Im not sure it will be curtains if we bend over but I have supported this club through good times and bad and good decisions and bad decisions - rolling over would rate as the worst decision I can remember

(disclaimer - I need to temper this by stating that I am basing this on media reports of the evidence to hand - ie no smoking gun - just evidence of positional moves, rotations, silly CC comments, fumbling and Jack Watts not playing and missing out on the brownlow )

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Perhaps Fan could suggest where else the MFC might get a free feel for what its fans (including Fan) might be thinking??

There may be reasons to give what they see here appropriate low weight and do other surveys etc, but I'd be very surprised if they didn't keep an eye on these forums. I'd go further and say they were negligent if they did not. If you think that is pumping up our tyres, so be it.

And yes, IVS, it is a bit like talk back radio. But name a political party other than maybe the Greens which doesn't take close note of the ranting that goes on there.

From the regular member surveys the MFC conducts? As for pollies, say no more. Pollies are more interested in what their opposition counterparts may be saying on the public airwaves. Besides, Political parties monitor all media, not just talkback. More importantly, they do their own "private" polling.

I simply make the point, vested interest forums do not necessarily speak for the majority. They are simply there for the entertainment of the participants.

Edited January 17, 2013 by iv'a worn smith

[Dee Fan 3,247]

From the regular member surveys the MFC conducts? As for pollies, say no more. Pollies are more interested in what their opposition counterparts may be saying on the public airwaves. Besides, Political parties monitor all media, not just talkback. More importantly, they do their own "private" polling.

I simply make the point, vested interest forums do not necessarily speak for the majority. They are simply there for the entertainment of the participants.

They are a cross section of the supporter base.

If you were looking for feedback on any proposal you would look to your own first, surely.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

They are a cross section of the supporter base.

If you were looking for feedback on any proposal you would look to your own first, surely.

Correct, that is why the MFC conduct the surveys they do, as do all clubs.

[Slartibartfast 15,820]

They are a cross section of the supporter base.

If you were looking for feedback on any proposal you would look to your own first, surely.

Yep, I can just imagine someone saying 'lets topple Don and oust Cam. But first lets ask the people on Demonland what they think".

Robbie read this thread and tell me what you think sophisticated thinkers would think.

If you think you're insights or mine would be of interest you're dreamin'.