GWS were completely fraudulent to us in relation to their dealings with Tom Scully. For a long time, I loathed them for that.

But, to be honest, they've actually been very reasonable to us in 2012:

- Even though they stole Tom Scully from us, they did us a massive favour. I'm glad he's not on our list. Don't like him and don't particularly rate him as a top tier player.

- In return for Scully, we effectively received Mitch Clark (b/c of the cash we'd kept aside for Scully), Toumpas (pick 4) and Dawes (pick 13 then moved to pick 20). On any construction, that's 'overs'.

- They allowed us to recruit Jesse Hogan with pick 3 which also enabled us to recruit Jack Viney (father/son) with pick 26. Total bargain.

- They picked O'Rourke and Plowman ahead of Toumpas. Toumpas will be a MFC club legend. There's no way he should've got to us at pick 4.

What's there to hate? I now kind of like GWS.

- They picked O'Rourke and Plowman ahead of Toumpas. Toumpas will be a MFC club legend. There's no way he should've got to us at pick 4.

errr... hasn't even stepped inside the training facility yet. But i do like your optimism.

They were reasonable with us this year because it was in their interests to do so, but nonetheless I agree that from the perspective of parties I'd be willing to deal with, they look a lot better now than they did last year.

BFFs4EVA

Gold Coast are so boring.

GWS were completely fraudulent to us in relation to their dealings with Tom Scully. For a long time, I loathed them for that.

But, to be honest, they've actually been very reasonable to us in 2012:

- Even though they stole Tom Scully from us, they did us a massive favour. I'm glad he's not on our list. Don't like him and don't particularly rate him as a top tier player.

- In return for Scully, we effectively received Mitch Clark (b/c of the cash we'd kept aside for Scully), Toumpas (pick 4) and Dawes (pick 13 then moved to pick 20). On any construction, that's 'overs'.

- They allowed us to recruit Jesse Hogan with pick 3 which also enabled us to recruit Jack Viney (father/son) with pick 26. Total bargain.

- They picked O'Rourke and Plowman ahead of Toumpas. Toumpas will be a MFC club legend. There's no way he should've got to us at pick 4.

What's there to hate? I now kind of like GWS.

can't question a single point

also, in a season bereft of celebration, we got to enjoy smacking them by 78 points at the G

Yeah this year they have been better. Seriously Tom Scully leaving seems like a long time ago. You know what I hated GWS and him this season but im over it because our midfield looks so much better now and we have got tougher bodies in there now. I know he lied about going but does anyone really miss him.

I know people wills still boo Tom next year but if most of us didnt then we can insult him by showing him we dont care he has gone. Not that he would care if we did or not.

I actually so agree.

There is no way in hell that Scully is worth what we got for him.

Than the fact they backed it up and didnt take Toumpas is a joke, he's a freak! from what i've seen.

We are so going to make them eat their words.

Although Scully is a gun and will progress probably into something really good. What we got is better

See your point Ron, but i will loathe and hate GW$ until well after my death.

I still remember that interview with Gubby Allan...the deals were already signed.

I hate GWS & the Scullys.

Funnily enough I have never hated GWS

TS is another story.

I keep thinking what a great service they did us

Yeah this year they have been better. Seriously Tom Scully leaving seems like a long time ago. You know what I hated GWS and him this season but im over it because our midfield looks so much better now and we have got tougher bodies in there now. I know he lied about going but does anyone really miss him.

I know people wills still boo Tom next year but if most of us didnt then we can insult him by showing him we dont care he has gone. Not that he would care if we did or not.

I am now starting to think he is no certainty for their best side. They have a few new boys to come in plus several back from injury. He seriously may not fit in to their best tea, . I would laugh my head off.

The deal for Jesse Hogan for pick 3 may have included a "let Toumpas fall to us at pick 4 and it's a done deal" agreement.

They were reasonable with us this year because it was in their interests to do so

Absolutely and this goes to show how silly the view some put forward on DL that GWS (or for that matter GC) would deliberately set out to screw us over in regard to Viney (some even suggested they would do as part of some Sheedy vendetta against the club) rather than try to find a way that they benefited out of the situation (picks 1, 2, 3 for example).

dont forget when pick 13 became pick 20 and we got Dominic Barry too

and I agree we did pretty good out of the deal with Scully leaving

Still hate them, just not as much...

Anyone not in the red and blue is measured in degrees of hate.

I'm the same as the OP. Hated him when it all happened, but loving him now

Scully = Toumpas (compensation pick, who comes with a whole backpack full of tricks and is AFL ready)

Clark (salary room bought a player who wins almost every 1on1 contest and bagged 29 goals in 11 games)

Jones (who has mostly improved since Scully left. It was like a huge mental step up)

They are cunning, I'll give them that.

Anyone see Phil Scully at the GWS table last night?

I couldn't make out the other 7 blokes behind him...

They are cunning, I'll give them that.

Anyone see Phil Scully at the GWS table last night?

I couldn't make out the other 7 blokes behind him...

free snacks laid on by AFL HQ i have no doubt!!

They are cunning, I'll give them that.

Anyone see Phil Scully at the GWS table last night?

I couldn't make out the other 7 blokes behind him...

17 actually

Losing Scully was Probably the best thing that could have happened to us.

We Basically got pick 1 and 2 in this years draft with Viney and Jimmy and Added a Tank of a forward in Hogan.

Let's not get too chummy with GWS. They will have a pretty lethal side in three years or so and if we are to win our 13th cup, that mob will likely be a powerhouse doing everything in their power to stop us.

And they have Grubby Allen for chrissakes. To paraphrase Rowan Atkinson ... "the sort of bloke you'd emigrate to avoid".

You forgot Dom Barry.

Let's not get too chummy with GWS. They will have a pretty lethal side in three years or so and if we are to win our 13th cup, that mob will likely be a powerhouse doing everything in their power to stop us.

And they have Grubby Allen for chrissakes. To paraphrase Rowan Atkinson ... "the sort of bloke you'd emigrate to avoid".

exactly. They have done us no favours & i don't expect the MFC to roll out any red carpet for them.

They are an enemy that civil but careful conversations can be traded.

Don't love them too much! Their "premiership window" & ours overlap. In fact, MFC better sneak one before all of the 1st rounders gifted to GWS by the bloody AFL reach 23-26 yo. GWS can afford to lose some back to their home states and have some duds (like $cully). They'll still be awesome.