The Grand Final Thread

[45HG 1,539]

So the biggest day of 2012 has arrived (don't tell the new wife).

The more I think about it, the more I think this game shapes to be a cracker - especially if the weather continues the way it is heading.

So many great players lining up, many of whom seem to have been created for wet weather footy on Grand Final day.

Mithcell, Hodge, Sewell, Lewis, Franklin, Roughead with surprisingly tough-nutted Shiels, Suckling, Smith, Gibson, Burgoyne.

Jack, Hannebury, O'Keefe, Gooes, Bolton, Kennedy, Mcveigh with Malceski, Shaw, Grundy, Mumford.

It just looks to be a cracking contest. Hawthorn's dominance up forward looks like it may be quelled by the weather - but I would never write-off a combination of Franklin and Roughead (especially with the added form of Gunston).

This looks to be the area that the Hawks have it over the Swans. With Reid and LRT not in the same league - yet they are favoured by the Hawks defensive concerns.

The battle (as usual) is in the middle.

Both mid-fields have plenty of ball-winning ability and, importantly, can kick goals. Sydney's probably kick more goals yet Hawthorn's will set more up. I have a feeling they will also kick a few more themselves than usual.

There's no way that Hawthorn will kick as badly as they did last week and I find it hard to go past them.... but not by much.

Hawks by 7 points.

[Sir Why You Little 35,071]

Please win Swannies.

40 years of Hawthorn flags is just evil.

WATCH THE GAME NEELDY!!!!

[My TD 156]

WATCH THE GAME NEELDY!!!!

Groan .....

[Cards13 9,117]

Missed last year OS and just a little excited to see this one, as you said 45 has the potential to be a cracker of a contest.

Here is hoping Swans by 13.

[IRW 1,283]

Please win Swannies.

40 years of Hawthorn flags is just evil.

WATCH THE GAME NEELDY!!!!

Neeld will be watching....what you really meant was "WATCH THE GAME WATTS" and the rest of the list for that matter

[IRW 1,283]

The rain has got to Aireys Inlet. First time I'm pleased to be sitting in the 'gods'.

Go Swans, just to wipe the smirk off the Hawks' supporters faces.

How I love to hear them whine.

[Deers 202]

I've never known so many Gen-Y Hawks supporters come out of the woodwork this year.

All born in the mid-to-late '80s, probably saw their first game during the pretty-boy era and turned their backs on the game soon after.

Now they're back in their droves.

Swans by a gajillion.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Hoping the Hawks win, Swans extra salary cap destroys the equality of the game more than anything else.

[IRW 1,283]

Hoping the Hawks win, Swans extra salary cap destroys the equality of the game more than anything else.

you didnt go to the last Melb \Hawth grand final did you?

[JJJ 579]

How any MFC supporter can want Hawthorn to win is beyond me....

To rank my least favourite:

1. Essendon

2. Hawthorn

3. Collingwood

4. The rest

Back to the game. It has all the ingredients to be a corker. Every time I watch the Swans my admiration for them increases. Contrasted against the insipid efforts by our team, the Swans embody everything I want in my team.

[Whispering_Jack 28,096]

Don't mind the Hawks. They've been the best side all year and have the most brilliant players.

Let's just get it over with and move on to the next phase which involves us in a major restoration of our playing list.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,674]

I respect both the Hawks and the Swans for different reasons and in different ways. My respect for the Swans extends to hoping they achieve success after doing it hard for so many years and then creating from within a culture of hardness and uncompromising pursuit of the team above the individual. The Hawks I respect for being up for so long (they've been up for four decades with 10 flags - can you even begin to imagine what that must be like?) but hate them for the way they go about it - my hate is probably half blinded by jealousy wishing we could do what they do (as well as 1987-88) but also in the arrogance of their supporters and club as a whole. But when you achieve what they have and create a culture of excellence you can afford to be arrogant.

I hope today that arrogance turns to hubris and they lose. Swans by 8 points.

Edited September 29, 2012 by Dr. Gonzo

[Geddy Lee 582]

HATE Hawthorn. Arrogant flogs and spoiled whiny supporters. Massive bandwagoners too. Remember the crowd they got vs Port in 2004 at the G? Massive [censored] Kennett as President hilariously sold them to Tasmania. Bastardised club supported by clueless spoiled bandwagoners.

/sore spot

I will be barracking very hard for the Swannies this day. Hope they win by 1 point.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

you didnt go to the last Melb \Hawth grand final did you?

It's just that everyone talks about the Swans and Moneyball, but the key element of Moneyball is that the Athletics had less money than their competitors, Sydney have more money!

They use the excuse of cost of living but on a world scale Sydney ranks 11th and Melbourne 15th, hardly justifies and extra 10% salary cap. By the way, Adelaide ranks 27th therefore they should have a smaller salary cap by Sydney's reasoning.

I do admire the culture and strong team environment the Swans have, but the draft and salary cap are the two single most important elements of the competition and Sydney's concessions completely undermine this.

[Johnson 0]

Does anyone have a live stream? I'm overseas and can't find one. A PM would be greatly appreciated!

[Sir Why You Little 35,071]

HATE Hawthorn. Arrogant flogs and spoiled whiny supporters. Massive bandwagoners too. Remember the crowd they got vs Port in 2004 at the G? Massive [censored] Kennett as President hilariously sold them to Tasmania. Bastardised club supported by clueless spoiled bandwagoners.

/sore spot

I will be barracking very hard for the Swannies this day. Hope they win by 1 point.

you said it Geddy!!

[Sir Why You Little 35,071]

It's just that everyone talks about the Swans and Moneyball, but the key element of Moneyball is that the Athletics had less money than their competitors, Sydney have more money!

They use the excuse of cost of living but on a world scale Sydney ranks 11th and Melbourne 15th, hardly justifies and extra 10% salary cap. By the way, Adelaide ranks 27th therefore they should have a smaller salary cap by Sydney's reasoning.

I do admire the culture and strong team environment the Swans have, but the draft and salary cap are the two single most important elements of the competition and Sydney's concessions completely undermine this.

how much bigger is their salary cap allowance??

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

how much bigger is their salary cap allowance??

9.8% which equates to about an extra $900,000 per season.

[Sir Why You Little 35,071]

9.8% which equates to about an extra $900,000 per season.

3 players. You have a point.

They do spend it well though.

We can still learn from them.

No name hard workers...

[7-UP 107]

Good to see Cameron Bruce's son wearing a demon hat, future father-son?

[Sir Why You Little 35,071]

Good to see Cameron Bruce's son wearing a demon hat, future father-son?

yes. Cam had the Dawk tie and the babe in red & blue...

[beelzebub 22,417]

An article in the Aged by Neeld on how the Swannies need to play to beat Hawks....then picks the Hawks lol.

Go Bloods !!!

[AmericanDemon 180]

Just wanted to say, i'm having a conversation about the game on Twitter with a guy who lives in my city. As an American fan, this is huge for me! I've never had anyone here in the States to talk about footy with!

[dee-luded 2,958]

My Tip: get under cover @ half time.

a Big Shower @ Half time, IMO.

[Biffen 12,441]

Jetta to Goodes to Morton goal.

A sad goal .But a goal.

Relatively speaking.