Thursday May 17th - Jurrah-dgment Day

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

According to Jon Ralph, who was just on SEN with Bartlett (did anyone else hear them?) he was saying that doesnt matter what the courts find, he is still subject to his tribe law and what how they see the matter and may have a machete put into his head or a spear thrown through his leg. Ronnie Burns was also on and saying different tribes have different laws and there's basically no outsiders who can change that. Marngrook footy show may have some stuff on tonight.

Edited May 17, 2012 by Wadda We Sing

[Its Time for Another 4,287]

In the NT that might be the only way to keep him alive!

Shows you the serious flaws in our legal system. Here is a man, who may well be proven innocent, sitting in jail for several months before the legal system has the time to hear a simple procedural process of hearing his plea of guilty or innocent and setting up a timetable for the next stages of the legal process. He could end up losing over a year of his life in jail and be found innocent because the legal system is so, so, slow.

[daisycutter 29,737]

In the NT that might be the only way to keep him alive!

isn't Christopher Walker being held in jail because he is a parolee and has violated his parole conditions? might be wrong on this

[Guest Jackie]

Even if he gets locked up for a longish stretch there is still a chance he could still play and do his time over here. And why not, his case has already received unusual consideration from the law and the club. There has been several cases of high profile footballers in the past playing whilst incarcerated.

[mauriesy 7,353]

He could end up losing over a year of his life in jail and be found innocent because the legal system is so, so, slow.

Unfortunately, you normally get remanded if you are an 'unacceptable risk'.

[Demonator 93]

Shows you the serious flaws in our legal system. Here is a man, who may well be proven innocent, sitting in jail for several months before the legal system has the time to hear a simple procedural process of hearing his plea of guilty or innocent and setting up a timetable for the next stages of the legal process. He could end up losing over a year of his life in jail and be found innocent because the legal system is so, so, slow.

Yep, just ask Rubin Carter!

[IWAP 170]

So I guess he won't be playing in the round 17 match in Darwin

[Grapeviney 9,799]

There has been several cases of high profile footballers in the past playing whilst incarcerated.

Such as ... ?

[felixdacat 459]

There has been several cases of high profile footballers in the past playing whilst incarcerated.

Such as ... ?

Paul Crew

[Grapeviney 9,799]

sorry am i missing something ? the only reference i can find to any paul crew who played football while in jail is a film starring adam sandler about an nfl player

[Guest Jackie]

Such as ... ?

Once upon a time when it was the VFL there was a a more cosy relationship with the media. Footballing scandals were rarely if ever reported and footballers got away with a lot. So not appropriate to name names. There was a particular champion player who played for a scummy club and was doing time for armed robbery whist creating a legend for himself on the field. And the father of one of the current champions did the same in one of the country leagues whilst doing jail time in the bush before reviving his VFL/AFL career

Edited May 17, 2012 by Jackie

[DEELIGHTED 16]

According to Jon Ralph, who was just on SEN with Bartlett (did anyone else hear them?) he was saying that doesnt matter what the courts find, he is still subject to his tribe law and what how they see the matter and may have a machete put into his head or a spear thrown through his leg. Ronnie Burns was also on and saying different tribes have different laws and there's basically no outsiders who can change that. Marngrook footy show may have some stuff on tonight.

yep i heard this aswell. amazing really, even if hes not guilty hes still due for this payback when he returns home. Ronnie burns stated even if Obama was to intervene it would have no impact and LJ would still get payback as such.

Will be interesting to see if LJ goes back. Has the footy club(by ignorance) got involved in something that will affect much more that one person. As an elder is it expected for him to go home and face the music?

I have absolutely no education or knowledge of this matter(not sure if many do) and simply want for LJ to do the best thing for his community to push through the issues that are currently pulling a remote community to pieces.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

Yes, it all just amazing really. Their tribal laws go back thousands of years. What do we know?!

[Demonator 93]

Apparently now on 4 new charges according to afl.com.au

[stuie 7,374]

Not exactly a lot of information in that update is there.... Really want to know what's happening with our LJ

[Demonator 93]

Not exactly a lot of information in that update is there.... Really want to know what's happening with our LJ

Yeah I know - basically a headline with no story. Hopefully not much in it!

[stuie 7,374]

Dot points of the news:

-Apparently the extra 4 charges are for aggravated assault against 4 different people.

-Preliminary examination to be 23rd July.

-His lawyer is seeking alterations to his bail to allow Liam to play in the Darwin game (Round 17), will know about 4ish today.

Edited May 17, 2012 by stuie

[daisycutter 29,737]

yep i heard this aswell. amazing really, even if hes not guilty hes still due for this payback when he returns home. Ronnie burns stated even if Obama was to intervene it would have no impact and LJ would still get payback as such.

Will be interesting to see if LJ goes back. Has the footy club(by ignorance) got involved in something that will affect much more that one person. As an elder is it expected for him to go home and face the music?

I have absolutely no education or knowledge of this matter(not sure if many do) and simply want for LJ to do the best thing for his community to push through the issues that are currently pulling a remote community to pieces.

He is not an elder. He is an initiated male.

He is commonly (and wrongfully) called an elder in many articles/blogs/posts

One would hardly be a tribal elder at such a young age

[Bossdog 2,002]

So if I get this right........No matter what happens in the white man's court,payback will occur.......If this is so, how come witnesses for the proecution (indiduous people) will give evidence in the white mans court.....as well as demanding payback????

Seems that they want it both ways....

[The Chazz 4,077]

God, it's not looking all that flash is it?

[stuie 7,374]

He is not an elder. He is an initiated male.

He is commonly (and wrongfully) called an elder in many articles/blogs/posts

One would hardly be a tribal elder at such a young age

Isn't an elder in this context just the same as a leader? I don't think it has to do with age, I could be wrong but that's always been my understanding.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,939]

Would be the first club in the VFL/AFL to have a listed/contracted player go to the clink?

[The Chazz 4,077]

Would be the first club in the VFL/AFL to have a listed/contracted player go to the clink?

If it were to happen, I wonder if we could apply for LJ to wear some Lindsay Lohan-type ankle bracelets for 1 day a week?

[daisycutter 29,737]

Isn't an elder in this context just the same as a leader? I don't think it has to do with age, I could be wrong but that's always been my understanding.

he is not an elder.........simple as that

[stuie 7,374]

If it were to happen, I wonder if we could apply for LJ to wear some Lindsay Lohan-type ankle bracelets for 1 day a week?

Probably not for assault with a weapon...