Daffy

[Sir Why You Little 36,668]

2 Questions.

1. Are the Aints as a club ( not the Supporters) happy to see Misson go?

2. Do the MFC at this moment have no medical representatives?

[deenovo 0]

The point remains that Misson has worked harmoniously with respected Sports Medicos at both Sydney and St Kilda.

hmmm, really?....... see the italicised word in my initial post.

[hoopla 418]

1. Are the Aints as a club ( not the Supporters) happy to see Misson go?

2. Do the MFC at this moment have no medical representatives?

No and No

I have it on good authority ( a fellow medico) that politics was behind his departure.These things happen .... and they are rarely one person's fault

Daff is certainly one of the very best around .... and he will not be easily replaced - both for his considerable skills and his commitment to the club.

We need to find a quality replacement asap . That is the key

[Sir Why You Little 36,668]

No and No

I have it on good authority ( a fellow medico) that politics was behind his departure.These things happen .... and they are rarely one person's fault

Daff is certainly one of the very best around .... and he will not be easily replaced - both for his considerable skills and his commitment to the club.

We need to find a quality replacement asap . That is the key

Thanks for that...it has been glossed over a little....it is vital to have good Medico's.

[rpfc 28,052]

Got word that Daffy and co. are of the opinion that Misson will do what 'he did' to Ball (not help sufferers of OP) and Riewoldt (overwork to the point of lameness).

Time will tell whether those concerns are worthy.

I would, however, temper their disgust with Misson with the notion that Montagna, Dal Santo, Hayes, and Goddard are bonafide stars that have handled the training loads fine. Hayes did his knee - not an overwork issue.

And Riewoldt was turned into a elite runner and if he was overworked it was Lyon and his decision to have him play a flankers role leading up to the wing for most of his career.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,652]

Let's also keep in mind that many key position forwards find their careers come to an abrupt end due to the physical wear and tear on their bodies. The best example I can think of is Brereton who's career was all but over by the time he was 30 (or earlier). Similarly, Jade Rawlings, while not in the same category as Brereton, was all washed up as a player before his time. Reiwoldt has been playing a bash and crash game for 10 or so years and his body will be struggling now that he's 29.

[jayceebee31 697]

Got word that Daffy and co. are of the opinion that Misson will do what 'he did' to Ball (not help sufferers of OP) and Riewoldt (overwork to the point of lameness).

Time will tell whether those concerns are worthy.

I would, however, temper their disgust with Misson with the notion that Montagna, Dal Santo, Hayes, and Goddard are bonafide stars that have handled the training loads fine. Hayes did his knee - not an overwork issue.

And Riewoldt was turned into a elite runner and if he was overworked it was Lyon and his decision to have him play a flankers role leading up to the wing for most of his career.

Another gut feel I suppose--Neeld will make sure that Misson has got the issue of Doctors covered by start of actual play. He has covered all issues and will not leave out this one. With Misson and the experience of Craig, Viney,Royal and Neeld himself, they would know the medic's really well .I feel this is a small issue in the scheme of things right now.

[Whispering_Jack 29,240]

I assume that there would be a sports doctor at every training session and would be surprised if this was not the case ATM.

[Choko 493]

Injury management was a key issue in what transpired. It is important to remember that the medical staff have a medico-legal responsibility for the welfare of the patient (i.e. the player) which must come first. If things go pear-shaped due to medical mis-management then they are at risk of being sued - and this has indeed already happened. The cases of mis-managed head injury, and the long term consequences, that have been highlighted this year are examples - and there are others that have flown under the media radar.

Being a hot-shot sports scientist is all very well but there is an element of "all care and no responsibility" about it. My guess is that the medical staff decided that, on a risk-management level, they were not wiling to be a party to a situation where they felt the medical care and welfare of the players was being compromised. Remember that robust discussion, differences in opinion, etc.... are all a normal part of the medical process (particularly in a sporting club!). So, for them to feel that the situation was so unacceptable that they should depart (after so many years of loyal service) speaks volumes. Watch this space......

Agree.

[daisycutter 29,341]

Agree.

Yes, that all makes logical sense.........but it doesn't explain how all that could be determined within a week or so of Misson being appointed and before pre-season training had even begun

Has to be more to it than it......

[demoniac 1,296]

And you know that how?

Misson was at the Sydney Swans from 2001 till 2007. Nathan Gibbs was the Sydney Swans Club Doctor for all of that period.

Misson was at St Kilda from 2008 till 2011. Ian Stone and Tim Barbour were the St Kilda Club Doctors for all of that period.

Given the length of time they were working with Misson it is reasonable to conclude that they managed to work together harmoniously.

[rpfc 28,052]

Misson was at the Sydney Swans from 2001 till 2007. Nathan Gibbs was the Sydney Swans Club Doctor for all of that period.

Misson was at St Kilda from 2008 till 2011. Ian Stone and Tim Barbour were the St Kilda Club Doctors for all of that period.

Given the length of time they were working with Misson it is reasonable to conclude that they managed to work together harmoniously.

I think Mono is taking the prudent step of not taking note of said past experience over a decade and will base his view on the actions of a couple of Doctors who have worked with Misson for 3 weeks.

It's just the right way to look at things...

[Nasher 33,607]

Yes, that all makes logical sense.........but it doesn't explain how all that could be determined within a week or so of Misson being appointed and before pre-season training had even begun

Has to be more to it than it......

Precisely the question DC. A couple of weeks is hardly long enough to test the relationship properly.

Given that it's been shown that Misson has been able to work with other doctors before, I really doubt this is going to be a problem. That said, the club wouldn't want to leave those positions vacant for too long.

[Disco Demons 92]

i have been told by a good source that Misson has said he has his work cut out for him...and MFC doesn't have good processes in place for dealing with many aspects of player performance...ie., training, recovery, etc.

The source is someone who has worked under Mission at a previous club for many years...

[Sir Why You Little 36,668]

i have been told by a good source that Mission has said he has his work cut out for him...and MFC doesn't have good processes in place for dealing with many aspects of player performance...ie., training, recovery, etc.

The source is someone who has worked under Mission at a previous club for many years...

So now is the time to get those processes right i would hope. One weak link in this chain & it will break.

[hardtack 10,422]

i have been told by a good source that Mission has said he has his work cut out for him...and MFC doesn't have good processes in place for dealing with many aspects of player performance...ie., training, recovery, etc.

The source is someone who has worked under Mission at a previous club for many years...

I would have thought that was one of the reasons the club brought him in... wouldn't it be part of his job description to get such processes in place?

[Nasher 33,607]

I would have thought that was one of the reasons the club brought him in... wouldn't it be part of his job description to get such processes in place?

Precisely. The whole reason you pay for "best in the industry" types (and you can bet that Misson is costing a packet) is to fix all the things that are busted. Misson seems to me to be one of those arrogant professionals who strive to get the job done with scant regard for who they bulldoze over on the way. Absolutely fine by me, so long as the job actually gets done.

[deenovo 0]

Misson was at the Sydney Swans from 2001 till 2007. Nathan Gibbs was the Sydney Swans Club Doctor for all of that period.

Misson was at St Kilda from 2008 till 2011. Ian Stone and Tim Barbour were the St Kilda Club Doctors for all of that period.

.........(smile)..........join the dots, and see the italicised word in my initial post.

[demoniac 1,296]

.........(smile)..........join the dots, and see the italicised word in my initial post.

If Misson is a PIA to work with as you state and this will impact on our ability to appoint replacements for Daff and Fried how did the Saints convince Dr Tim Barbour to join the them at the same time as they themselves were appointing Misson to head their Sports Science Department? After all Misson had been at the Swans for the previous 7 years so the reputation you attach to Misson would surely have been known amongst the sports medicine fraternity and Barbour would not have joined the Saints. Of course as I have previously stated the fact that he worked with Dr Nathan Gibbs for 7 years at the Swans and with Dr Ian Stone and Dr Tim Barbour for 4 years at the Saints does make your case somewhat perplexing.

[rpfc 28,052]

.........(smile)..........join the dots, and see the italicised word in my initial post.

So he has not been able to work with 'quality' medical personnel?

Who judges that? Are you? Is your unnamed source?

I'm of the opinion that, like many professions, sports doctors and sports fitness managers have their ego and their way and the don't like others that have a similar desire to protect their ego and their way.

So unless you can give us more than smug asides with intermittent dire concerns, I will think you are just trolling.

We will see.

Edited November 15, 2011 by rpfc