The Waylen (aka Zyrus) Manson Thread

[hardtack 10,547]

Adding to your accurate post - and maybe developing a super star.At least we have had the experience of settling LJ now, and his fitness has definately improved, all be it slowly but surely.If we got Manson, then able to settle him,who knows what that might create.like Cook-it might be put him away for a couple of years for development..

I agree. Am I right in thinking we have 4 picks in the rookie draft? Being "remainder stock", rookies are speculative at best anyway, so we have absolutely nothing to lose (and everything to gain), by taking Manson on.

[old55 23,613]

You make out as if he would need a personal assistant and butler.

[old dee 23,792]

I agree. Am I right in thinking we have 4 picks in the rookie draft? Being "remainder stock", rookies are speculative at best anyway, so we have absolutely nothing to lose (and everything to gain), by taking Manson on.

Not sure I agree with that hardtack.

What if the guy you do not pick turns out to be mckenzie or Pods mk 2?

This will bring the wrath of Khan down on me but I would rather try Lovett.

Give me 2 minutes to get into my bunker!

[jayceebee31 761]

I agree. Am I right in thinking we have 4 picks in the rookie draft? Being "remainder stock", rookies are speculative at best anyway, so we have absolutely nothing to lose (and everything to gain), by taking Manson on.

Surely if we have picked Sellar for his pick(54) we must have thought there is not much left as far as young tall talent.Fletcher Robert seems a guy with natural ability, I'd pick both and work on Manson & Roberts and breed competitive spirit.4 rookie picks- two 190cm + talls, two smalls and I'll be wrapped.

Edited December 1, 2011 by jayceebee31

[hardtack 10,547]

Not sure I agree with that hardtack.

What if the guy you do not pick turns out to be mckenzie or Pods mk 2?

This will bring the wrath of Khan down on me but I would rather try Lovett.

Give me 2 minutes to get into my bunker!

Well old dee, the way I see it is that people on here are talking up Sellar as having cost us little so we don't lose much if he fails, but there is plenty of upside if he succeeds (I know you are not one of them) - and he has 5 years for just 21 games at Adelaide who weren't exactly setting the world on fire over that period.

So in what was essentially a thin draft (as correctly alluded to be jcb above), surely Manson is worth the risk... we have (I think) three other picks with which to get a McKenzie or a Pod; and besides, wouldn't we be kicking ourselves just as much if Manson turned out to be a gem? (and from what has been said about his skills, that seems to be more than possible as long as his attitude can be turned around).

Edited December 1, 2011 by hardtack

[old dee 23,792]

Well old dee, the way I see it is that people on here are talking up Sellar as having cost us little so we don't lose much if he fails, but there is plenty of upside if he succeeds (I know you are not one of them) - and he has 5 years for just 21 games at Adelaide who weren't exactly setting the world on fire over that period.

So in what was essentially a thin draft (as correctly alluded to be jcb above), surely Manson is worth the risk... we have (I think) three other picks with which to get a McKenzie or a Pod; and besides, wouldn't we be kicking ourselves just as much if Manson turned out to be a gem? (and from what has been said about his skills, that seems to be more than possible as long as his attitude can be turned around).

Agree with most of what you say but I really worry this guy would every settle in Melbourne.

By the way does this mean I can come out of the bunker, it is cold and dark down here

[hardtack 10,547]

Agree with most of what you say but I really worry this guy would every settle in Melbourne.

By the way does this mean I can come out of the bunker, it is cold and dark down here

We all reside in that bunker :-)

[old55 23,613]

This will bring the wrath of Khan down on me but I would rather try Lovett.

If Lovett isn't a complete pr1ck (he may well be) and if his body is still good (he's only just turned 29) I'd definitely consider him as a hail-mary. He adds a mature line-breaking dimension to our midfield. If he contributed to his maximum potential and all else went roughly to plan we'd definitely play finals this year. We need a player like him far more than we need a Manson or a Fevola.

Edited December 1, 2011 by old55

[hardtack 10,547]

If Lovett isn't a complete pr1ck (he may well be) and if his body is still good (he's only just turned 29) I'd definitely consider him as a hail-mary. He adds a mature line-breaking dimension to our midfield. If he contributed to his maximum potential and all else went roughly to plan we'd definitely play finals this year. We need a player like him far more than we need a Manson or a Fevola.

What's to stop us getting both Lovett and Manson? Judging by the reports, Lovett is not expected to be picked up, so if he is still there late in the piece, then by all means we should maybe go for him.

[daisycutter 29,616]

Hardtack and Old Dee in the same bunker.

Now that's a thought to ponder on B)

[old dee 23,792]

What's to stop us getting both Lovett and Manson? Judging by the reports, Lovett is not expected to be picked up, so if he is still there late in the piece, then by all means we should maybe go for him.

I am struggling to see the down side

Rookie pick, base salary.

Was very good when his mind was in it at the bombers.

if he screws up he plays for casey reserves till the grass grows over his head.

[old dee 23,792]

Hardtack and Old Dee in the same bunker.

Now that's a thought to ponder on B)

Yes it is DC

but I am out now so don't worry

[hardtack 10,547]

but I am out now so don't worry

ok...just let's not go there!

[Dee Fan 3,247]

If Lovett isn't a complete pr1ck (he may well be) and if his body is still good (he's only just turned 29) I'd definitely consider him as a hail-mary. He adds a mature line-breaking dimension to our midfield. If he contributed to his maximum potential and all else went roughly to plan we'd definitely play finals this year. We need a player like him far more than we need a Manson or a Fevola.

From all reports he is one of those so I doubt we'll pick him up.

I think we will probably go with the kids we have training with us at the moment, if we thought Manson was worth a shout he would be training with us.

[old dee 23,792]

From all reports he is one of those so I doubt we'll pick him up.

I think we will probably go with the kids we have training with us at the moment, if we thought Manson was worth a shout he would be training with us.

Perhaps we cannot get him south of the 19th parallel Robbie

[McQueen 17,865]

From all reports he is one of those so I doubt we'll pick him up.

I think we will probably go with the kids we have training with us at the moment, if we thought Manson was worth a shout he would be training with us.

Manson doesn't exactly live around the corner and I doubt he would be doing anything but running laps with LJ if he was at training. In this circumstance, he would be RD'd and then the process of getting him over for a run would commence.

[Redleg 40,946]

For God's sake, how many indigenous possible stars can we afford to support???!!! We already have Jetta, who is the slowest aborigine in Australia. Jurrrah who won't play defensively. Davey, who has completely dropped his head because he has now earnt a direct opponent, and Bennel who is petrified of physical contact.

So let's not just take on a skinny Northern WA kid who turned up to draft camp with nothing but a pair of thongs, and burst into tears and went home early b/c the questions were too hardl; let's also pick up Lovett. FFS, we don't have enough trouble carrying Sylvia's boganesque behaviour. Why not add to it. I'm sure Lovett will give us 2 - 3 amazing flashy games amongst his 19 - 20 bullish!t not-getting-near-the pill games.

Political correctness will be the death of this club. I love Aaron Davey, and I am hopeful about Liamh Jurrah, but we've already taken on to much risk and it's already bitten us in the arse.

I'll laze back now and wait for the moral minority to tell me how racist I am.

No point you being subtle on here, why don't you tell us how you really feel.

[ChaserJ 5,096]

For God's sake, how many indigenous possible stars can we afford to support???!!!

Nice. Pigeon holing an entire race. Your assertion that the issue is purely down to players being indigenous is offensive. These boys aren't alone in underachieving. Underachievment has been a blight on our club for years and has nothing to do with cultural difference. A culture of indifference has been a bigger problem. A culture that has accepted mediocrity has been a bigger problem.

What about the indigenous talent we didn't draft, but were in a position to do so? Were we correct in passing on Adam Goodes? Michael O'Loughlin? Cyril? Did we get those right?

If Lance Franklin were a free agent and listed Melbourne as his preferred club, would you suggest we give him a miss? I'm not saying the boys you've singled out don't deserve a spray, but your focus is far too narrow. Far more players than you've named have been mollycoddled and given more leeway than they should have.

Edited December 1, 2011 by ChaserJ

[hardtack 10,547]

For God's sake, how many indigenous possible stars can we afford to support???!!! We already have Jetta, who is the slowest aborigine in Australia. Jurrrah who won't play defensively. Davey, who has completely dropped his head because he has now earnt a direct opponent, and Bennel who is petrified of physical contact.

So let's not just take on a skinny Northern WA kid who turned up to draft camp with nothing but a pair of thongs, and burst into tears and went home early b/c the questions were too hardl; let's also pick up Lovett. FFS, we don't have enough trouble carrying Sylvia's boganesque behaviour. Why not add to it. I'm sure Lovett will give us 2 - 3 amazing flashy games amongst his 19 - 20 bullish!t not-getting-near-the pill games.

Political correctness will be the death of this club. I love Aaron Davey, and I am hopeful about Liamh Jurrah, but we've already taken on to much risk and it's already bitten us in the arse.

I'll laze back now and wait for the moral minority to tell me how racist I am.

What was that about boganesque behaviour?

[... 11]

Nice. Pigeon holing an entire race. Your assertion that the issue is purely down to players being indigenous is offensive. These boys aren't alone in underachieving. Underachievment has been a blight on our club for years and has nothing to do with cultural difference. A culture of indifference has been a bigger problem. A culture that has accepted mediocrity has been a bigger problem.

What about the indigenous talent we didn't draft, but were in a position to do so? Were we correct in passing on Adam Goodes? Michael O'Loughlin? Cyril? Did we get those right?

If Lance Franklin were a free agent and listed Melbourne as his preferred club, would you suggest we give him a miss? I'm not saying the boys you've singled out don't deserve a spray, but your focus is far too narrow. Far more players than you've named have been mollycoddled and given more leeway than they should have.

Nice argument, except Lance Franklin's from Pakistan. And they're no good either!

[... 11]

What was that about boganesque behaviour?

It was about being [censored] up and driving a car and then leaving the scene of an accident the night before an international representative training day.

I presume though, you're intimating that my criticism of some of our indigenous players doesn't fit with the latte-sipping pseudo-intellects here who have no experience with the topic. Hooray for you. They're saved!

[... 11]

I don't want him at the club. Most others here don't want him either. Our coaching staff and recruiters don't want him.

At least I have the balls to say why.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Nice argument, except Lance Franklin's from Pakistan. And they're no good either!

Can you explain this comment please ...

[hardtack 10,547]

It was about being [censored] up and driving a car and then leaving the scene of an accident the night before an international representative training day.

I presume though, you're intimating that my criticism of some of our indigenous players doesn't fit with the latte-sipping pseudo-intellects here who have no experience with the topic. Hooray for you. They're saved!

Not at all... just your generally unwarranted aggressive tone tends to slot right into the bogan profile.

[ChaserJ 5,096]

Nice argument, except Lance Franklin's from Pakistan. And they're no good either!

Nice deflection. So you've slagged off bogan's, pseudo-intellectuals and at last count 2 races.

Did you not get hugged as a child?