Praising Bruce

[beelzebub 22,799]

If indeed he's offered the big dollars to head north then it's good luck Cam enjoy the sun never mind the door mate we'll close it. Simple as. ... Really

[H_T 2,941]

I think you'll find Cameron Bruce features in the top 5 of the MFC best and Fairest this year

It probably wouldn't surprise me given the injuries to Davey, Grimes, Moloney & co.

[dee-luded 2,958]

I'll happily go on record and say this has been a welcome return to great form for Bruce. I still have issue with his disposals but by and large a very good contributing year. Now speaking of contributing the club has lined his pockets rather handsomely for a few years now, even dare I suggest when it wasn't overly earnt . With Junior goingit might be wise to retain him for a year or two (2nd year no guaranteed starts ... Maybe not even first ) but he needs to understand a little bit of payback is needed via a salary cut. That seems fair enough; otherwise enjoy the Sun by all means!

1Yr, 'belzebub59', or I'll buy him some Suntan lotion.

[e25 5]

I wouldve thought, with Bruce able to be slotted onto the veterans list this year in place of McDonald, that a pay cut wouldnt be necessary, as we could simply continue to pay him the same amount, but half of it is now exempt from the salary cap.

Of his B&F finishes, these are the ones I can find:

2001 - 9th

2002 - 2nd

2003 - 6th

2006 - 2nd

2008 - 1st

2009 - 3rd

Not bad!

Cam has probably been paid a sight better than Gary Ablett, due to the dearth of deserving players on our list in the last few years.

He's good, but not good enough to warrant top earning in a team where we suddenly need to be careful with our allocation of cap space.

The veteran's list helps his cause, but the club still has to pay him the money, whether it's included in the cap or not.

I think he has been paid over the odds in recent years and probably deserves a pay cut.

[beelzebub 22,799]

Return to form??

Have you checked his finish in the B&F over the past 10 years? That says the club ranks him very highly.

Ok ...I'll bring you up to speed... Im one of those that hadnt been particularly carried away with Bruces performances of some past seasons...so YES a return to some form for mine. Couldnt care less about finishes in B and Fs etc. that can get all very incestuous and clouds some otherwise impartial observations.

But in the spirit of your view...hes been a bit closer to maybe 7-8 years back...rather than 2-3 !!

Edited August 26, 2010 by belzebub59

[rpfc 27,714]

Cam has probably been paid a sight better than Gary Ablett, due to the dearth of deserving players on our list in the last few years.

He's good, but not good enough to warrant top earning in a team where we suddenly need to be careful with our allocation of cap space.

The veteran's list helps his cause, but the club still has to pay him the money, whether it's included in the cap or not.

I think he has been paid over the odds in recent years and probably deserves a pay cut.

Spot on.

Earned upwards of $600k this year.

With half outside the cap of course.

He should be looking at half that now. Probably why his manager might be stoking a few rumours.

If he does go, bring Macca back.

[Keyser Söze 0]

Spot on.

Earned upwards of $600k this year.

With half outside the cap of course.

He should be looking at half that now. Probably why his manager might be stoking a few rumours.

If he does go, bring Macca back.

Do you think we could do that?

I'm not sure it would work out, but if Bruce does go, it would make us look amateurish.

[beelzebub 22,799]

1Yr, 'belzebub59', or I'll buy him some Suntan lotion.

Id agree that hes probably really worth a one year deal only...however if he was offerd two years elsewhere buyt happy to stay on less boxes of cornflakes then its a consideration of some worth. Otherwise.. yep.. buy him lots of Coppertone

[rpfc 27,714]

Do you think we could do that?

I'm not sure it would work out, but if Bruce does go, it would make us look amateurish.

It might makes us look like amateurs. But we would given another year to someone who could contribute for only the price of the last rookie chosen - if indeed Bruce goes go.

I don't think it will eventuate but appearances matter little to me.

[dee-luded 2,958]

Spot on.

Earned upwards of $600k this year.

With half outside the cap of course.

He should be looking at half that now. Probably why his manager might be stoking a few rumours.

If he does go, bring Macca back.

What, that IS Rediculous! He Is NOT worth that!

If he got that money, I'm ashamed.

[dee-luded 2,958]

Id agree that hes probably really worth a one year deal only...however if he was offerd two years elsewhere buyt happy to stay on less boxes of cornflakes then its a consideration of some worth. Otherwise.. yep.. buy him lots of Coppertone

Here's some from my old medicine cupboard. >

Edited August 26, 2010 by dee-luded

[H_T 2,941]

It might makes us look like amateurs. But we would given another year to someone who could contribute for only the price of the last rookie chosen - if indeed Bruce goes go.

I don't think it will eventuate but appearances matter little to me.

Could always point to blind sided external circumstances or sudden change of landscape. ie. Gold Coast

Hardly amateurish. But understandable.

Can't see it happening.

[jnrmac 19,534]

Couldnt care less about finishes in B and Fs etc. that can get all very incestuous and clouds some otherwise impartial observations.

You can have your opinions but I'm happy to go with the Footy Dept. They know what instructions CB gets week in week out and how he performs against those instructions. With due respect you wouldn't have the foggiest about that. The B&F is one true way of seeing how the club views its players.

Of course there will be some blinkers now and then like Daniher had with respect to certain players but not over a 10 year period.

[old55 21,926]

You can have your opinions but I'm happy to go with the Footy Dept. They know what instructions CB gets week in week out and how he performs against those instructions. With due respect you wouldn't have the foggiest about that. The B&F is one true way of seeing how the club views its players.

That's quite right, the more I've learn, the less I realise I know.

[rpfc 27,714]

What, that IS Rediculous! He Is NOT worth that!

If he got that money, I'm ashamed.

He was paid his worth to the MFC - not the AFL. You can't place comparative standards on Cam except for the fact that each club has 'gotta pay somebody.'

[dee-luded 2,958]

He was paid his worth to the MFC - not the AFL. You can't place comparative standards on Cam except for the fact that each club has 'gotta pay somebody.'

I would have preferred them give some of it to fatten Juniors & Greenies pay packets. Share it a little to our long term boys rather than so much for so little.

[sylvinator 96]

I would have preferred them give some of it to fatten Juniors & Greenies pay packets. Share it a little to our long term boys rather than so much for so little.

If you look at his B&F results over the past 6 years, he thoroughly deserves, and has earned his $600k package. These days half his salary doesn't even count towards the cap bc he's a veteran, so none of us should have any qualms that he's ripped off the club.

Has consistently performed in the best 5 players at the club over a very long time. His experience and leadership will be important next year.

[dee-luded 2,958]

If you look at his B&F results over the past 6 years, he thoroughly deserves, and has earned his $600k package. These days half his salary doesn't even count towards the cap bc he's a veteran, so none of us should have any qualms that he's ripped off the club.

Has consistently performed in the best 5 players at the club over a very long time. His experience and leadership will be important next year.

You got to be joking,,, $600 K x 3 years is $1.8Mill... Prob' not far off Pavlich... throw in another $300k & you've got a marquee player.. Not bruce. Brian lake would be cheaper than that.

No way.

[sylvinator 96]

You got to be joking,,, $600 K x 3 years is $1.8Mill... Prob' not far off Pavlich... throw in another $300k & you've got a marquee player.. Not bruce. Brian lake would be cheaper than that.

No way.

This year only 300k of his salary went towards the cap.

That's exactly the same as what Q Lynch was offered at WCE, a guy who doesn't even make their team.

Bruce will come top 5 in our B&F this season. If that's not value i don't know what is

[Al`s DEMONS 0]

Cam has probably been paid a sight better than Gary Ablett, due to the dearth of deserving players on our list in the last few years.

He's good, but not good enough to warrant top earning in a team where we suddenly need to be careful with our allocation of cap space.

The veteran's list helps his cause, but the club still has to pay him the money, whether it's included in the cap or not.

I think he has been paid over the odds in recent years and probably deserves a pay cut.

years ago when he was worth more , was paid less because Neitz ,White , Yze and the likes took home the big dollars. was offered more money by the pies and the bombers. he stayed loyal. so its been a bit of catch up. the footy department knew this and have timed it nicely. plus we have to pay 90 odd% of the cap. its all coming together .

[daisycutter 28,730]

Interesting on how everyone is an expert on Cam Bruce's salary package

Its all conjecture

You wouldn't know his salary package i.e. what/if component is performance based, whether it has a front or backloading component, whether he has a promotional component etc etc

Someone here just quotes a figure and everyone just goes along with it - what a joke

[mauriesy 6,931]

Earned upwards of $600k this year.

Where did you pluck that figure from?

[rpfc 27,714]

Where did you pluck that figure from?

I had a chat with a few folks from the old admin after they signed him up the last time, at the start of the 2007 season I believe. I don't wish to use hyperbole but I believe the mindset of the club as a whole and towards older players was different in March 2007 than it was in September 2007...

As I said before you have 'gotta pay someone.' The minimum to pay everyone this year for example is $7.3m, and the max is only $600k more. The best players at all clubs earn roughly the same amount.

He's on around a $500k base with payments and incentives that can get it up to $600k.

I would say he has got it up that high this season. He's been very good.

[dee-luded 2,958]

This year only 300k of his salary went towards the cap.

That's exactly the same as what Q Lynch was offered at WCE, a guy who doesn't even make their team.

Bruce will come top 5 in our B&F this season. If that's not value i don't know what is

So What! He just doesn't deserve anywhere Near that Money. Nowhere neart good enough for that. Thats just a waste of funds the members have raised.

[dee-luded 2,958]

So What! He just doesn't deserve anywhere Near that Money. Nowhere neart good enough for that. Thats just a waste of funds the members have raised.

I wouldn't give him a cent over $320K!