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[Diamond_Jim 11,856]

30 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The stress on each foot during a match would be off the charts

i have been waiting for a massive jump in shoe technology in sport for years. We pay big bucks for a players contract, but the footy boot can still be bought at Rebel. 

Every player should have boots made for them personally. 

A Turf toe injury should be covered in a 2018 boot. 

I may be asking too much, but if i am, i will be shocked and amazed. 

Agree ..but of course they wear the sponsor's boot which has to be available for resale.

Certainly not impossible to get handmade boots.... might be harder though to replicate the "air cushion" etc claimed by the high end boots.

PS Just did some research on the NBA players and in the main they wear off the shelf boots with individually designed orthotic inserts.

Edited May 25, 2018 by Diamond_Jim

[Sir Why You Little 34,614]

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Agree ..but of course they wear the sponsor's boot which has to be available for resale.

Certainly not impossible to get handmade boots.... might be harder though to replicate the "air cushion" etc claimed by the high end boots.

PS Just did some research on the NBA players and in the main they wear off the shelf boots with individually designed orthotic inserts.

Amazing, look at any piece of play that becomes congested or a marking contest. A foot could be stood on and shattered at any time, 

and that has nothing to do with a hyperextended  metacarpal 

[DV8 2,271]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Daniel Chick did it with his finger, surely a toe is easier to get along without. 

your a chiro you know its not.

 

tell them to go Run, then Jump.

[DV8 2,271]

6 hours ago, ProDee said:

What are your medical credentials and have you personally assessed the patient's toe and scan ?

Oh, now that would be telling !

[DV8 2,271]

5 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I have known what the injury is for years

The Science of the Football Boot needs to improve

Have you done any reading on the injury?  I didn't post, to let you know the obvious swyl.

[Sir Why You Little 34,614]

12 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Have you done any reading on the injury?  I didn't post, to let you know the obvious swyl.

YES. I KNOW WHAT TURF TOE IS...

[DV8 2,271]

4 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

YES. I KNOW WHAT TURF TOE IS...

what is it swyl?

 

[daisycutter 28,606]

21 minutes ago, DV8 said:

what is it swyl?

 

is it like a tennis elbow only a bit further down?

[Gator 16,893]

1 hour ago, DV8 said:

Oh, now that would be telling !

Ok, so you're guessing.  I recommend you stick to whatever lane you think your lane is. 

Clearly, making recommendations on player welfare isn't one of them. 

From what I've read soreness is the key.  But I'll leave it to the experts.

We'll know soon enough. 

[DV8 2,271]

28 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Ok, so you're guessing.  I recommend you stick to whatever lane you think your lane is. 

Clearly, making recommendations on player welfare isn't one of them. 

From what I've read soreness is the key.  But I'll leave it to the experts.

We'll know soon enough. 

what you read the media for your info?

[Gator 16,893]

11 minutes ago, DV8 said:

what you read the media for your info?

No.  Just the club. 

[Demons1858 1,662]

12 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

He did that in the AFL side anyway.  He had done pretty much all of the pre-season training before the injury struck so he still had the base fitness from that.

You're just clutching at straws as you want to blame 'bad management', when it's clearly untrue.

Your just being naive ... our injury management cost us finals last year ... so it needs to be called out

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Just now, Demons1858 said:

Your just being naive ... our injury management cost us finals last year ... so it needs to be called out

We've got one of the smallest injury lists in the league right now.

You can call it out all you like.  Nobody is listening.

[Demons1858 1,662]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

We've got one of the smallest injury lists in the league right now.

You can call it out all you like.  Nobody is listening.

l know that many will disagree with me, but unlike some, I'm not focused just on popularist views .. check the stats for yourself:

2017 injury ladder (and it only got worse as the year progressed and we missed finals)

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/greater-western-sydney-sits-on-top-of-hurt-ladder-by-a-long-way/news-story/260167253f20b80354b15fc8ee3de301

2016 injury ladder:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afls-injury-ladder-hawthorn-gws-not-alarmed-by-luckless-run-20170724-gxhh2x.html

Hopefully our sports science team don't derail what has been a good start this season

[Sir Why You Little 34,614]

3 hours ago, DV8 said:

what is it swyl?

 

Take a Bex will you please

i am well aware of TMac’s injury. 

If you read the thread carefully you will see i have told you what it is. 

So good to have your mad rambling’s back Deeluded, at least the fonts and colours are now consistent. 

LSD a little less potent i gather...

[DV8 2,271]

13 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Take a Bex will you please

i am well aware of TMac’s injury. 

If you read the thread carefully you will see i have told you what it is. 

So good to have your mad rambling’s back Deeluded, at least the fonts and colours are now consistent. 

LSD a little less potent i gather...

You have not,  you just named it is all.

[Demon17 4,606]

1 hour ago, Demons1858 said:

Your just being naive ... our injury management cost us finals last year ... so it needs to be called out

No it didnt. Appalling effort it final game and inability to kill a side for% cost the finals.

Viney did his own thing in an effort to get back early when he was advised that 9 weeks off was needed. Look what happened. 

Gawn jones and watts were all effectively managed.

Tmac and the team have done the right thing all along this year.

[rolling fog 1,146]

TMac is ok, and will play, as is pretty much confirmed by his inclusion in the final side tonight. TMac and medical staff were being precautionary which is understandable on both their parts given TMac’s previous foot issues. The issue identified this week is not a major one, and the area in concern is different to the one that caused him to miss earlier this year. All are just keen to get him through to the bye round for a rest and reassessment to be done then.

Sauce is good.

And yes boots can be and often are modified to suit specific requirements. It’s the same thing as tennis racquets, for example, you can go to Rebel sport and buy a racquet that looks exactly like the one Federer uses, however as a professional tennis player, he has his own racquets weighted, tensioned etc. to his liking – same principle with footy boots.

[bing181 8,175]

1 hour ago, Demons1858 said:

l know that many will disagree with me, but unlike some, I'm not focused just on popularist views

Some ideas are not popular because they're wrong. Or stupid.

[Deemania since 56 6,180]

11 hours ago, ProDee said:

Ok, so you're guessing.  I recommend you stick to whatever lane you think your lane is. 

Clearly, making recommendations on player welfare isn't one of them. 

From what I've read soreness is the key.  But I'll leave it to the experts.

We'll know soon enough. 

Didn't know that the Women's Weekly printed information for laymen on football injuries. 

[Demons1858 1,662]

8 hours ago, bing181 said:

Some ideas are not popular because they're wrong. Or stupid.

I think its stupid to ignore stats for injury management and assume sports science are doing a good job just because its a bit of a black box to read

Edited May 25, 2018 by Demons1858

[Demons1858 1,662]

9 hours ago, Demon17 said:

No it didnt. Appalling effort it final game and inability to kill a side for% cost the finals.

Viney did his own thing in an effort to get back early when he was advised that 9 weeks off was needed. Look what happened. 

Gawn jones and watts were all effectively managed.

Tmac and the team have done the right thing all along this year.

You have actually highlighted many of the injury mgmt issues last year that caused us issues:

Viney should not be allowed to mismanage his recovery out of a determination to help the team - he is our most influential player

Gawn himself on refection said it wasn't just his hammy but that he did get fit enough to return

Watts was criticised for not getting himself fit for this return and was subsequently dropped. 

Salem was also unfit and dropped back to VFL

Tmac had a set back earlier this year. Lets hope he hasn't had another one.

[jane02 3,378]

For what it is worth, I have just been talking to one of our favourite players long term partner who told me that Tommy’s injury is not too bad. He just pulled up slightly sore.

[Sir Why You Little 34,614]

12 hours ago, DV8 said:

You have not,  you just named it is all.

Excuse me??

Hyperextension of the metacarpal is not the name of the injury. It is the injury...

 

[Hot as Hell 465]

14 hours ago, bing181 said:

Some ideas are not popular because they're wrong. Or stupid.

And some ideas are not popular because they are right and the mob don't like them. 

In nearly all forms of social opinion, popularity is often the line of least resistance, not the pathway of greatest truth.

Politicians bank on it, very securely.

On topic, MFC has cruelled by injury in recent years. With limited depth, its impact was heavier on us than others. 

One of the few upsides for MFC is that Jesse's injuries forced us to experiment with Tom up forward. 

It was a stumbled success to rival 3M's "sticky note".