6 hours ago, The end is nigh said:

Moreso than Jackson Wagner and McVee?

AND OMac!

Speaking of OMac, got himself a 1 year extension.

Getting the band back together over in Freo.

Hope Clarry can survive, No Max or his missus doing his washing, making his bed,

How will he pay rent, pay bills, communicate with people.

No more MFC to hold his hand, sitting on a boat sinking stubbies, I pray he grows up.

I think we are all devaluing Clarry’s football value because of some off field issues.

The guy was a superstar and could still be a very valuable asset to the Giants. Like Tracc at the Suns, he could be the player to take them to the next step. These guys don’t grow on trees.

We shouldn’t get sucked in to getting nothing for him.

Maybe we pay a bit of his contract, but when Flanders is getting nearly a million dollars a year from Saints and NAS on $2m a year, what would a club expect to pay Clarry, surely well over a million.

So we need imo a good player from the Giants or a very good pick, their 12. I am not saying we get a star player, but maybe one who addresses a need of ours and the Giants have plenty who are not getting a regular game.

Clarry will obviously be a Giant by next wednesday night, but I hope we get something reasonable in return at the very least.

Edited Wednesday at 18:011 day by Redleg

6 hours ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

It'll be interesting to hear Max's views on all this at some stage, he (apparently) having taking Clayton 'under his(*) wing' during the latter's difficult times.

Surprise? Disappointment? Anger? Bemusement? You've got it all wrong, folks?

Relief

Sadly I think Oliver will be a very good player at GWS and the change will be what he needs. He won’t be the megastar of yesteryear as his kicking will interfere with that now, but he could well be top 50 in the comp. I also don’t think, given the baggage with us, he was going to be that good for US again.

The “culture” issue created at our club by our two most expensive players caring so little for the dynamics within it just had to shift.

I still feel really sad to see him go (bang bang bang and all of that joy) and I also hope we get something back for him! But bottom line, new coach, fresh start I get it. Even if he finishes top 5 in the GWS b&f I will still get it.

Oliver gets a fresh start… but so do the dees.

We are getting not much for him and we are paying a huge chunk of his salary.

We want him out.

I don’t understand how people see the outcome to be any different given, for the second year in a row, we’ve signalled to him to look for a new home.

We can’t walk this back now. Everyone knows that, apart from perhaps this thread. I mean we probably can but it would be such a cluster*** that it just isn’t worth it.

The idea I read last night that we are getting a first rounder is absolute fantasy.

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

I think we are all devaluing Clarry’s football value because of some off field issues.

The guy was a superstar and could still be a very valuable asset to the Giants. Like Tracc at the Suns, he could be the player to take them to the next step. These guys don’t grow on trees.

We shouldn’t get sucked in to getting nothing for him.

Maybe we pay a bit of his contract, but when Flanders is getting nearly a million dollars a year from Saints and NAS on $2m a year, what would a club expect to pay Clarry, surely well over a million.

So we need imo a good player from the Giants or a very good pick, their 12. I am not saying we get a star player, but maybe one who addresses a need of ours and the Giants have plenty who are not getting a regular game.

Clarry will obviously be a Giant by next wednesday night, but I hope we get something reasonable in return at the very least.

I would have thought that horse has bolted, any thoughts of fair compo went out the door when we let it be known we would pay up to half his wage. Clubs know when a fire sale is on.

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

I think we are all devaluing Clarry’s football value because of some off field issues.

The guy was a superstar and could still be a very valuable asset to the Giants. Like Tracc at the Suns, he could be the player to take them to the next step. These guys don’t grow on trees.

We shouldn’t get sucked in to getting nothing for him.

Maybe we pay a bit of his contract, but when Flanders is getting nearly a million dollars a year from Saints and NAS on $2m a year, what would a club expect to pay Clarry, surely well over a million.

So we need imo a good player from the Giants or a very good pick, their 12. I am not saying we get a star player, but maybe one who addresses a need of ours and the Giants have plenty who are not getting a regular game.

Clarry will obviously be a Giant by next wednesday night, but I hope we get something reasonable in return at the very least.

Not how it works.

You're not only pushing the player out deliberately but willing to still pay a huge portion of the salary, then expect to get peanuts back.

14 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

I would have thought that horse has bolted, any thoughts of fair compo went out the door when we let it be known we would pay up to half his wage. Clubs know when a fire sale is on.

i don't even know what the off field issues were? Anybody care to summarize. his performance certainly deterioated.

they must have been very serous. Why wasn't the contract inclusive of behavioral clauses?

21 minutes ago, Kent said:

i don't even know what the off field issues were? Anybody care to summarize. his performance certainly deterioated.

they must have been very serous. Why wasn't the contract inclusive of behavioral clauses?

You want us to break the contract and get nothing? That’s what those clauses would do.

And on summarising his issues on Land… lol. Firstly, don’t want to get Andy in trouble and, secondly, we are trying to get a deal done here…

Edited Wednesday at 20:511 day by rpfc

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

I think we are all devaluing Clarry’s football value because of some off field issues.

The guy was a superstar and could still be a very valuable asset to the Giants. Like Tracc at the Suns, he could be the player to take them to the next step. These guys don’t grow on trees.

We shouldn’t get sucked in to getting nothing for him.

Maybe we pay a bit of his contract, but when Flanders is getting nearly a million dollars a year from Saints and NAS on $2m a year, what would a club expect to pay Clarry, surely well over a million.

So we need imo a good player from the Giants or a very good pick, their 12. I am not saying we get a star player, but maybe one who addresses a need of ours and the Giants have plenty who are not getting a regular game.

Clarry will obviously be a Giant by next wednesday night, but I hope we get something reasonable in return at the very least.

You're about to be greatly disappointed I'm afraid Red.

What we're getting in return isnt measured by players or $$$

And thats the whole point.

The best description i can think of is we're cutting off a cancerous nose to save our face.

I might be incredibly naive, but I understand getting him off the financial and cultural books and accepting that we won't get much in return. I also understand paying a huge proportion of his remaining contract to make his acquisition more attractive to another club. I don't understand doing both.

40 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not how it works.

You're not only pushing the player out deliberately but willing to still pay a huge portion of the salary, then expect to get peanuts back.

Not how it works Dazzle...

Generally speaking with salary dumps the portion the current club plays dictates the trade outcome, normally if the new club takes on the whole deal it's a very late pick, a pick that gets better as the money goes up and up for the current club.

with Clarry specifically though i think you're right, i suspect the Giants will pay roughly 900k pa, leaving the Dees paying about 400kpa and we'll end up with a very late pick that'll likely not be used.

and that's a good outcome for everyone. we were never getting a first round pick or anything good

if we want to get pick 12 we'll have to pay a huge chunk of his wage

unless we are prepared to accept Clarry back into the fold we have to accept what we get which will be a low pick and whatever we can negotiate regarding his wage

12 hours ago, BW511 said:

Enlighten us…

You know he can't, his post will get deleted and account suspended

10 hours ago, watchtheeyes said:

Pretty sure based on what we’ve now seen that Clarry has the perception, self awareness and communication ability of a two year old.

Who knows what he thinks he was told or what he relayed.

Pretty sure his manager would've been involved in discussions at some point.

10 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

James is probably the most qualified person in the AFL echo chamber to call something “an absolute disaster.” Few can speak with such lived experience in… high-risk culture management. All happy dayz down at the Hangar since he left — trust rebuilt, reputations restored, and no one’s had to flush the evidence in years.

@old55 this is what you mean by ad hominem, right?

I love C Oliver, but he'll need at least 2 years to get fit

Not sure Tobes and the team will accept that

Prefer we get as much of Clarrie's salary off our books as possible. We will find players if we turn the list over. Our recruiting is pretty good.

4 hours ago, Redleg said:

I think we are all devaluing Clarry’s football value because of some off field issues.

The guy was a superstar and could still be a very valuable asset to the Giants. Like Tracc at the Suns, he could be the player to take them to the next step. These guys don’t grow on trees.

We shouldn’t get sucked in to getting nothing for him.

Maybe we pay a bit of his contract, but when Flanders is getting nearly a million dollars a year from Saints and NAS on $2m a year, what would a club expect to pay Clarry, surely well over a million.

So we need imo a good player from the Giants or a very good pick, their 12. I am not saying we get a star player, but maybe one who addresses a need of ours and the Giants have plenty who are not getting a regular game.

Clarry will obviously be a Giant by next wednesday night, but I hope we get something reasonable in return at the very least.

I think this is 100% being forgotten by some.

Issues or not, the guy was a flat out superstar. I personally think this was a transition/bridge year to his best footy again, as it was his least interrupted for 2 years . With another preseason and no distractions, I think he'll have a great 2026 - but it's a pity it won't be for us. And in return we are not going to get someone of his quality/potential.

People happy to offload/adopt a clear slate approach thinking kids will step up (they're great, but generational? We'll see) or we will get guys to plus and play. Unlikely. We need to nail these 2 trades because if we don't, it's going to be a hard year.

1 hour ago, Ted Lasso said:

Not how it works Dazzle...

Generally speaking with salary dumps the portion the current club plays dictates the trade outcome, normally if the new club takes on the whole deal it's a very late pick, a pick that gets better as the money goes up and up for the current club.

with Clarry specifically though i think you're right, i suspect the Giants will pay roughly 900k pa, leaving the Dees paying about 400kpa and we'll end up with a very late pick that'll likely not be used.

and that's a good outcome for everyone. we were never getting a first round pick or anything good

All media reports state that it will be Melbourne paying majority of the portion which is around 700k and the Giants take the rest which will be a lot less.

There is no way the Giants would be picking him up and taking majority of his salary. They would baulk at the thought of paying of having to pay up 900k a season.

The purpose of getting him from a Giant perspective is because he is coming cheap financially, but also from a draft capital as well.

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

All media reports state that it will be Melbourne paying majority of the portion which is around 700k and the Giants take the rest which will be a lot less.

There is no way the Giants would be picking him up and taking majority of his salary. They would baulk at the thought of paying of having to pay up 900k a season.

The purpose of getting him from a Giant perspective is because he is coming cheap financially, but also from a draft capital as well.

Great, and that might well be the case with Clarry because Melbourne want him out for reasons that almost certainly go well beyond the money.

But my point was that's not typically how a salary dump situation works, generally the selling club will either give the player away, or even offer something to clear the salary.

this is different because we're only just clearing some of the cap space, unclear exactly how much. I'd be shocked if it's not at least half of his wage though. if not a little bit more.

With Clarry bad mouthing the MFC as a club I would not offer to pay any part of his salary and only accept GWS 1ST round pick.

A general reminder: if you refer to any “issues” a player may have or had, please keep it general and simply use the word “issues.” Do not include specific details or make comments that could reflect negatively on a person’s character.

I don't think the reports are correct, I think we'd rather take less for him but also pay less of his salary

If we are paying $700k per year for him to play for the Giants, then I expect we get pick 12.

If it's a pick in the 30s, I expect us to pay around $300k a year for him

A pick in the 30s in this year's draft is equivalent to a 4th rounder in most other drafts

Just now, Very Jaded said:

I don't think the reports are correct, I think we'd rather take less for him but also pay less of his salary

If we are paying $700k per year for him to play for the Giants, then I expect we get pick 12.

If it's a pick in the 30s, I expect us to pay around $300k a year for him

A pick in the 30s in this year's draft is equivalent to a 4th rounder in most other drafts

Probably on the money.