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Shane McAdam v Jack Martin

Cranky Franky
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This comparison highlights how smart Geelongs list management is & how poor ours has been for several years.

Both players are around the same age & ability although Martin has played more.

Shane cost a 2nd round pick & commands a hefty salary while Jack cost Cats nothing & is probably on minimum pay with performance bonuses.

And dont start me on Tom Stewart, Tyson Stengle or Shaun Mannagh also picked up for a song.

We need our list managers to smarten up.

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    44 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

    This comparison highlights how smart Geelongs list management is & how poor ours has been for several years.

    Both players are around the same age & ability although Martin has played more.

    Shane cost a 2nd round pick & commands a hefty salary while Jack cost Cats nothing & is probably on minimum pay with performance bonuses.

    And dont start me on Tom Stewart, Tyson Stengle or Shaun Mannagh also picked up for a song.

    We need our list managers to smarten up.

    The difference is a four-letter word that starts with F…

    … Farm

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    I think the one constant here is simply Geelong's player development.

    Tom Stewart - He was pick 40. We've gotten lucky with a few in this range.

    Stengle - He couldn't get a game in one of the strongest teams of the modern era in Richmond, and couldn't break into an Adelaide team who themselves had a number of strong small forwards.

    As for Martin we simply didn't have a spot for him at the end of last year. I don't think that when the club was signing and re-signing players in 2021 and 2022 that they could have possibly foreseen that checks notes Jack Martin would be available.

    The question here isn't what players Melbourne missed out on. But rather what they're doing with the players they are bringing in. You just know that if Billings and McAdam ended up at Geelong they'd be locked in their best 22 and playing AA-calibre football.

    I mean, no one was saying our Recruitment was poor even 12 months ago. We've had a really poor 12 months of football and now suddenly our list Management is being compared with the flag favourites lol give it a spell!

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    26 minutes ago, praha said:

    I mean, no one was saying our Recruitment was poor even 12 months ago. We've had a really poor 12 months of football and now suddenly our list Management is being compared with the flag favourites lol give it a spell!

    Actually plenty have been critical of list management for a few years.

    List managers are supposed to improve us not send us backwards.

    Losing Bedford, Hunt, Jordon, Grundy, & Harmes & gaining Dunstan, Schache, Fullerton, Billings & McAdam took us backwards.

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    Jack Martin was the number 1 draft pick from years out, prior to being drafted.

    Apples and oranges comparing the two players

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    4 minutes ago, BW511 said:

    Jack Martin was the number 1 draft pick from years out, prior to being drafted.

    Apples and oranges comparing the two players

    It’s not though, the number one pick cost Geelong nothing and we paid out the [censored] for a broken player who’s done nothing and will do nothing for us.

    It’s a great comparison. Because he’s stating how poor we are at recruitment. This perfectly displays his point.

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    4 minutes ago, GawnOfTheDead said:

    It’s not though, the number one pick cost Geelong nothing and we paid out the [censored] for a broken player who’s done nothing and will do nothing for us.

    It’s a great comparison. Because he’s stating how poor we are at recruitment. This perfectly displays his point.

    Oh yes

    It is a perfect point

    Perfect

    Do words mean anything anymore?

    Will Ferrell Crazy Pills GIF

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    I was specifically referring to this part ‘Both players are around the same age & ability although Martin has played more.’

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    1 hour ago, praha said:

    I think the one constant here is simply Geelong's player development.

    Tom Stewart - He was pick 40. We've gotten lucky with a few in this range.

    Stengle - He couldn't get a game in one of the strongest teams of the modern era in Richmond, and couldn't break into an Adelaide team who themselves had a number of strong small forwards.

    As for Martin we simply didn't have a spot for him at the end of last year. I don't think that when the club was signing and re-signing players in 2021 and 2022 that they could have possibly foreseen that checks notes Jack Martin would be available.

    The question here isn't what players Melbourne missed out on. But rather what they're doing with the players they are bringing in. You just know that if Billings and McAdam ended up at Geelong they'd be locked in their best 22 and playing AA-calibre football.

    I mean, no one was saying our Recruitment was poor even 12 months ago. We've had a really poor 12 months of football and now suddenly our list Management is being compared with the flag favourites lol give it a spell!

    Jack billings wouldnt even get a game in geelongs vfl side.....

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    Just now, Tracca said:

    Jack billings wouldnt even get a game in geelongs vfl side.....

    Because he’d be too busy being a superstar in their AFL team?

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    Martin: 11, 12, 13, 3 traded or delisted or whatever it was at age 29.

    McAdam: 13, 15, 15, 7 traded at age 28.

    I can see why McAdam was worth more. A year younger and 50 games over 4 years not 40.

    And the 3 year deal was required to get him.

    But the future second round pick was always too much. Everything about him said 3rd rounder.

    Peatling, a far superior player last year. Future 2nd and got a future 3rd and 4th back. Justin Reid drives a hard bargain. There’s no evidence that being nice in trades hurts you down the line either.

    The other factor with McAdam is he played round 11 last year whilst still underdone, he didn’t look great. Cats didn’t race Martin in at all, debut in round 14.

    Shane looked phenomenal in preseason tho. Fittest he’d ever been. Total bummer because I still believe in the talent.

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