This comparison highlights how smart Geelongs list management is & how poor ours has been for several years.

Both players are around the same age & ability although Martin has played more.

Shane cost a 2nd round pick & commands a hefty salary while Jack cost Cats nothing & is probably on minimum pay with performance bonuses.

And dont start me on Tom Stewart, Tyson Stengle or Shaun Mannagh also picked up for a song.

We need our list managers to smarten up.

44 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

This comparison highlights how smart Geelongs list management is & how poor ours has been for several years.

Both players are around the same age & ability although Martin has played more.

Shane cost a 2nd round pick & commands a hefty salary while Jack cost Cats nothing & is probably on minimum pay with performance bonuses.

And dont start me on Tom Stewart, Tyson Stengle or Shaun Mannagh also picked up for a song.

We need our list managers to smarten up.

The difference is a four-letter word that starts with F…

… Farm

Always nice to get a visit from Cranky Franky.

I think the one constant here is simply Geelong's player development.

Tom Stewart - He was pick 40. We've gotten lucky with a few in this range.

Stengle - He couldn't get a game in one of the strongest teams of the modern era in Richmond, and couldn't break into an Adelaide team who themselves had a number of strong small forwards.

As for Martin we simply didn't have a spot for him at the end of last year. I don't think that when the club was signing and re-signing players in 2021 and 2022 that they could have possibly foreseen that checks notes Jack Martin would be available.

The question here isn't what players Melbourne missed out on. But rather what they're doing with the players they are bringing in. You just know that if Billings and McAdam ended up at Geelong they'd be locked in their best 22 and playing AA-calibre football.

I mean, no one was saying our Recruitment was poor even 12 months ago. We've had a really poor 12 months of football and now suddenly our list Management is being compared with the flag favourites lol give it a spell!

The sooner we appoint Captain Hindsight to the position of Recruiting Manager, the better.

More revision that a maths exam

26 minutes ago, praha said:

I mean, no one was saying our Recruitment was poor even 12 months ago. We've had a really poor 12 months of football and now suddenly our list Management is being compared with the flag favourites lol give it a spell!

Actually plenty have been critical of list management for a few years.

List managers are supposed to improve us not send us backwards.

Losing Bedford, Hunt, Jordon, Grundy, & Harmes & gaining Dunstan, Schache, Fullerton, Billings & McAdam took us backwards.

Jack Martin was the number 1 draft pick from years out, prior to being drafted.

Apples and oranges comparing the two players

4 minutes ago, BW511 said:

Jack Martin was the number 1 draft pick from years out, prior to being drafted.

Apples and oranges comparing the two players

It’s not though, the number one pick cost Geelong nothing and we paid out the [censored] for a broken player who’s done nothing and will do nothing for us.

It’s a great comparison. Because he’s stating how poor we are at recruitment. This perfectly displays his point.

4 minutes ago, GawnOfTheDead said:

It’s not though, the number one pick cost Geelong nothing and we paid out the [censored] for a broken player who’s done nothing and will do nothing for us.

It’s a great comparison. Because he’s stating how poor we are at recruitment. This perfectly displays his point.

Oh yes

It is a perfect point

Perfect

Do words mean anything anymore?

Jack Martin is [censored]. Don’t let his one good game in every 50 blind you (as it does the media).

I was specifically referring to this part ‘Both players are around the same age & ability although Martin has played more.’

I recall we had a crack at Martin when he left the Suns. His interest in coming to us hovered around zero. I think that was fortunate.

1 hour ago, praha said:

I think the one constant here is simply Geelong's player development.

Tom Stewart - He was pick 40. We've gotten lucky with a few in this range.

Stengle - He couldn't get a game in one of the strongest teams of the modern era in Richmond, and couldn't break into an Adelaide team who themselves had a number of strong small forwards.

As for Martin we simply didn't have a spot for him at the end of last year. I don't think that when the club was signing and re-signing players in 2021 and 2022 that they could have possibly foreseen that checks notes Jack Martin would be available.

The question here isn't what players Melbourne missed out on. But rather what they're doing with the players they are bringing in. You just know that if Billings and McAdam ended up at Geelong they'd be locked in their best 22 and playing AA-calibre football.

I mean, no one was saying our Recruitment was poor even 12 months ago. We've had a really poor 12 months of football and now suddenly our list Management is being compared with the flag favourites lol give it a spell!

Jack billings wouldnt even get a game in geelongs vfl side.....

Just now, Tracca said:

Jack billings wouldnt even get a game in geelongs vfl side.....

Because he’d be too busy being a superstar in their AFL team?

Martin: 11, 12, 13, 3 traded or delisted or whatever it was at age 29.

McAdam: 13, 15, 15, 7 traded at age 28.

I can see why McAdam was worth more. A year younger and 50 games over 4 years not 40.

And the 3 year deal was required to get him.

But the future second round pick was always too much. Everything about him said 3rd rounder.

Peatling, a far superior player last year. Future 2nd and got a future 3rd and 4th back. Justin Reid drives a hard bargain. There’s no evidence that being nice in trades hurts you down the line either.

The other factor with McAdam is he played round 11 last year whilst still underdone, he didn’t look great. Cats didn’t race Martin in at all, debut in round 14.

Shane looked phenomenal in preseason tho. Fittest he’d ever been. Total bummer because I still believe in the talent.

33 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

The sooner we appoint Captain Hindsight to the position of Recruiting Manager, thSmillas e

11 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

The other factor with McAdam is he played round 11 last year whilst still underdone, he didn’t look great. Cats didn’t race Martin in at all, debut in round 14.

Playing unfit & underdone players became a Goodwin trademark in his last years.

13 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Martin: 11, 12, 13, 3 traded or delisted or whatever it was at age 29.

McAdam: 13, 15, 15, 7 traded at age 28.

I can see why McAdam was worth more. A year younger and 50 games over 4 years not 40.

And the 3 year deal was required to get him.

But the future second round pick was always too much. Everything about him said 3rd rounder.

Peatling, a far superior player last year. Future 2nd and got a future 3rd and 4th back. Justin Reid drives a hard bargain. There’s no evidence that being nice in trades hurts you down the line either.

The other factor with McAdam is he played round 11 last year whilst still underdone, he didn’t look great. Cats didn’t race Martin in at all, debut in round 14.

Shane looked phenomenal in preseason tho. Fittest he’d ever been. Total bummer because I still believe in the talent.

The last injury really unfortunate based on all reports - any idea how his rehab is going?

16 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

The difference is a four-letter word that starts with F…

… Farm

F...ord pickup

13 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Martin: 11, 12, 13, 3 traded or delisted or whatever it was at age 29.

McAdam: 13, 15, 15, 7 traded at age 28.

I can see why McAdam was worth more. A year younger and 50 games over 4 years not 40.

And the 3 year deal was required to get him.

But the future second round pick was always too much. Everything about him said 3rd rounder.

Peatling, a far superior player last year. Future 2nd and got a future 3rd and 4th back. Justin Reid drives a hard bargain. There’s no evidence that being nice in trades hurts you down the line either.

The other factor with McAdam is he played round 11 last year whilst still underdone, he didn’t look great. Cats didn’t race Martin in at all, debut in round 14.

Shane looked phenomenal in preseason tho. Fittest he’d ever been. Total bummer because I still believe in the talent.

The best ability is your availability.

I'm not writing off McAdam yet.

He put in the hard yards over the pre-season and put himself in the position to give 2025 a good shake.

Here's hoping that he's got a bit more luck on his side next season.

12 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

The best ability is your availability.

Sure, but 12.5 game a year for McAdam wasn’t zero. If he was a 3rd rounder not a 2nd I wouldn’t be bothered by the failed trade. Future 2nd rounder that became a great pick was a dud deal from the day it was made

6 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Sure, but 12.5 game a year for McAdam wasn’t zero. If he was a 3rd rounder not a 2nd I wouldn’t be bothered by the failed trade. Future 2nd rounder that became a great pick was a dud deal from the day it was made

It has a similar feeling to our picks traded to get Kolt. At least as of today.

13 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

It has a similar feeling to our picks traded to get Kolt. At least as of today.

Yes I felt like we loaded up to try and get Harley and then West Coast said they weren't interested anyway. Someone else will remember exactly what we gave up to get the Kolt pick. The justification was that there was a cliff around that pick we wanted to be in front of. Obviously with hindsight that's never the case with Darcy Wilson, Logan Morris, Shaun Mannagh, Joel Freijah all coming after - but we probably could have had two of these players.

On McAdam, is there a version of the universe where we gets back to senior AFL next year and has an impact? I remember the signs being really positive before his last injury.

14 minutes ago, roy11 said:

The last injury really unfortunate based on all reports - any idea how his rehab is going?

Shane’s rehab is coming along very well. He’s working so hard and is determined to be back on the park early in the season. He said himself that recovery from this injury is different in that when he went down he was at the point of being the most confident and in the best shape he’s been in his whole career, therefore he knows he can get back to that point again. This is absolutely crucial because lack of confidence in himself (as well as in his body) was always an issue for him.

Shane is the only player who, when asked which training facility they prefer, has said hands down: Casey. And believe me, I’ve asked pretty much every one of them at some point or other.

Despite the drive to Casey, which no one likes, Shane prefers Casey over AAMI because the facilities are “amazing” and because they don’t have to share them with every man and his dog as they do at AAMI. He said this means he can rehab at the best level.

He also gives huge props to our physios/medics for tailoring the perfect schedule for him.

The difference between when he first came to us and the present time is astounding in terms of confidence and just as importantly…pride.