Brad Scott did a very solid job at North (running on the smell of an oily rag), for the best part of 10 years.

211 games: 106 wins, 105 losses. 4 finals series. 2 (back door) prelims.

Buckley at Collingwood (with all the resources money can buy).

218 games: 117 wins, 99 losses, 2 draws. 5 finals, 2 prelims and a lost GF.

When you handicap for degree of difficulty of the job they’re about equal, especially given they both started in the pre footy cap era.

After 4 years away from coaching (the same time period as Bucks) Scott was lauded by his friends in the media as a very sensible solid hire at Essendon. A strong leader. A culture changer. The sensible experienced hire after many journeys through the wilderness since the Sheeds days.

But 3 years later where is he at? They spent 2 years building 11 and 11.5 win teams that finished 11th. Then they have an injury list from hell that wipes out a year. No discernible strengths or game plan. No real list directive until maybe Merrett and Ridley give them one now. And despite the experience and wisdom and a bunch of denials there doesn’t seem to be any relationship between the coach and his players - including the highly paid captain - who are desperate to get out.

Obviously nothing is guaranteed, and most first time coaches don’t succeed, especially with a less than ideal list set up.

But I’d also rather fail spectacularly shooting for something innovative than to be where Essendon are now.

3 minutes ago, kurtneverdied said:

Meh, panel where probably just being nice. They are not going to say they were [censored] to their face.

The panel also wouldn’t tell them they’re great. But if a prospective senior coach lets out talk they were amazing then the future job they go for they’ll have a leg up potentially. Especially helpful if in this case they never had a legitimate shot at the role anyways. At least they get something beyond experience

It’s like artificial momentum

12 minutes ago, kurtneverdied said:

Why does literally everything gets leaked. I know it's not a biggie, but it's something that probably shouldn't be talked about outside the panel until it's over.

How do you know the leak is coming from the club?

The coaches of the managers do leak more then anything.

3 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

The panel also wouldn’t tell them they’re great. But if a prospective senior coach lets out talk they were amazing then the future job they go for they’ll have a leg up potentially. Especially helpful if in this case they never had a legitimate shot at the role anyways. At least they get something beyond experience

It’s like artificial momentum

Not arguing with the expert at getting appointed Mr Lasso 😉

Just now, kurtneverdied said:

Not arguing with the expert at getting appointed Mr Lasso 😉

Keep an eye out for the announcement!

did this require its own thread?

You know what, Engorged?

It didn’t.

20 hours ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

I play golf weekly with a person who works in the sports management industry and is a coterie member at Carlton (and he is also my boss although in something completely different). There is a major thing going on with people knowing internally what might happen and the external 'public' optics. If someone comes out and says I put my hand up for job x while hearing via the inner circle of management teams that someone has likely been earmarked for the role then there is no career upside for putting their hand up. Whereas by coming out and saying you cant or are not interested in role x, everyone wins.

As an example if Horse had said 'yeah maybe im interested' and then Nathan Buckley comes in as prince charming all that does is suggest that Buckley was a better candidate than Horse. If however Horse is 50/50 and asks his manager what people in the industry are saying of his chances and they say Buckley is the leader by a fair bit he will just say 'i cant coach now, good bye' and all is well.

All makes sense. I just think he's bowed out too late to maintain the optics.

Dees narrow down to 6 candidates

Skipworth identified as one of them

All progressing to interviews

Leaked that 3 blew away the dees

Skipworth states no longer pursing the dees gig

Reads to me he wasn't one of the candidates that blew us away

2 hours ago, old55 said:

There's just been a hell of a lot of colouring in of James Kelly's attributes in this thread without any basis except a report that he impressed the selection committee and he's been at Geelong so must be good.

2 hours ago, old55 said:

There's just been a hell of a lot of colouring in of James Kelly's attributes in this thread without any basis except a report that he impressed the selection committee and he's been at Geelong so must be good.

For years Goodwin was not the right guy (despite 200 plus games coached, an excellent winning strike rate and flag).

And Kelly, yet to coach a single AFL game is the right guy.

I mean, the obvious moral of the story is "Don't coach Essendon."

Scott never finished top 4… poor decision by Essendon

Edited September 11Sep 11 by Oxdee

What a pointless & meaningless post.

11 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

I mean, the obvious moral of the story is "Don't coach Essendon."

Yeah Since Sheedy Essendon have had as many untried coaches as they have 2nd timers. All have failed. One basically ruined the club for the next 15 years.

31 minutes ago, binman said:

For years Goodwin was not the right guy (despite 200 plus games coached, an excellent winning strike rate and flag).

And Kelly, yet to coach a single AFL game is the right guy.

We don’t know what we don’t know.

Craig McRae was an assistant who bounced around clubs and he was found through an interview process to be the right guy for the Pies.

Pointless thread or not, it’s reminded me on R U OK day to reach out to an Essendon supporting mate and check in.

And if he’s ok, then really give him [censored].

23 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Yeah Since Sheedy Essendon have had as many untried coaches as they have 2nd timers. All have failed. One basically ruined the club for the next 15 years.

Sheedy curse?

2 minutes ago, In Harmes Way said:

Pointless thread or not, it’s reminded me on R U OK day to reach out to an Essendon supporting mate and check in.

And if he’s ok, then really give him [censored].

HAHA I was thinking the same thing—but more that I’d message him and give him [censored]. I’ll skip over the R U OK? Because I know he is :)

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

Sheedy curse?

Hird got way more to answer for haha.

1 minute ago, Dannyz said:

We don’t know what we don’t know.

Craig McRae was an assistant who bounced around clubs and he was found through an interview process to be the right guy for the Pies.

Yep.

If Kelly gets the gig I'll get behind him.

I think Buckley is close to a lock. And would be a good choice.

But if, for whatever reason, Buckley isn't the coach having a first time senior coach, presumably with tonnes of energy and ideas about how they want to go about it, is an exciting alternative.

Edited September 11Sep 11 by binman

Come on, while long-term teams like Essendon and Collingwood have advantages that mean they'll do slightly better it's too simplistic to assume that in a patch of ten years that Collingwood must be lot better than North. On top of that in a three-year period it's not that hard to have more unusual occurrences. While over many decades Essendon might be better at not choosing a horrible morale-destroying staff member than, say, the Dogs or GC that doesn't mean some incompetent [censored] isn't the current reason Essendon players want out.

I just want the selection committee to choose the best head coach and just the head coach without fear or favour. That’s not an easy task considering Buckley is the apparent front runner and there’s every chance we’re going to be cautious. I always feel better when I say the same thing in 12 different ways 😎

Edited September 11Sep 11 by Roost it far

We are just members/supporters. Everyone wants us to employ the best candidate. We aren't involved in the interview process, all we have to gauge our opinion on is what we observe from the outside. Buckley was an amazing player. Buckley seemed like a good couch who didn't quite make it. Buckley has been in the media since and therefore we have greater exposure.

People want Buckley because it's a known brand. Dee Spencer doesn't want us to fall for the advertisement. He's right but also wrong because he doesn't know if Buckley is the right or wrong decision anymore than anyone else on here. What we can probably agree on is that we all want the best option for the role.

I appreciate the conversation and topic as isn't that what we are here to do?

Edited September 11Sep 11 by BAMF
Was drunk.

I am reminded of Yes, Minister where a bigwig public servant only needed to know stuff he needs to know. The catch was he needed to firstly know everything to know whether something was something he needed to know.

The only way we'll know whether we're getting a really good coach is AFTER they've coached for years. Honestly it's the same catch-22 that Beveridge and Clarkson need more years to show whether more years is the right decision for these clubs. As long as our bootstudder doesn't become our new coach we've got our decision right ( FOR NOW)

Edited September 11Sep 11 by Go Ds

49 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

What a pointless & meaningless post.

Not pointless at all.

I mean, you started a thread called Shane McAdam Vs Jack Martin and no one told you it’s pointless and meaningless. That’s not to say no one felt that way, many probably did, they’re just not rude and disrespectful enough to say it to you 😉

#”Cranky”IsAnUnderstatement

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Obviously nothing is guaranteed, and most first time coaches don’t succeed, especially with a less than ideal list set up.

But I’d also rather fail spectacularly shooting for something innovative than to be where Essendon are now.

i can't tell if yr advocating for his taking the taswegian franchise gig or not with the last comment?

most second year coaches don't succeed either, let alone those who never won a premiership at their first club

feels like this should have been in the 'who will be our next coach?' thread given that it's all about whether buckley should...take the job?