1 hour ago, rpfc said:

Absolute shambles.

Then I am losing faith in the board.

Coaches are not players - they are the de facto leader of the club especially in a period where we have no CEO and an interim President.

Just fire him in April. As soon as you start tapping up someone - pull the trigger and deal with the consequences of your actions.

I mean, I understand if you think the idea of it is shambolic. But I'd say with a fair dose of confidence that all clubs would have these types of conversations when almost at breaking point. Which is where we were.

They're conversations. They have to take place before a coach is moved on.

As I said, it would be a dereliction of duty if they didn't.

Same as any business.

What has been lost in all the talk of who the HEAD coach will be is that no one has considered who the appointee will have as assistants. Only one poster mentioned Bucks with Sanderson as his tactician.

Goodwin and his team were all on the same page with regard to tactics, training, selection etc. Goody did not do all this alone. Yze, when he went to the Tigers, was asked about being the head coach for the first time. He responded that Goody was on the boundary and that he (Yze) was doing all the coaching from the box.

With Goody gone, the same coaching team move in and they aren't changing much.

The process of the new coach is as much about who the figurehead is as well as who his/her lieutenants will be. Goodwin had Radford, Jones (both relatively inexperienced AFL-level coaches), Bassett, who had been out of the game a while and Jamar as ruck coach. Only Troy Chaplin has been a constant there, and he was moved from the backline to the forward line coach. Include Richardson, the team manager and Griffith as fitness coach, and you have the real scope of the coaching replacement project

Newly appointed coaches like to bring in their own team and have to manage (read as deal with)existing coaches bound by contracts. All assistants have to be notified by the end of August if they will be renewed next season. We know Richardson has a year to run. Chocco is out of contract, and I have no idea of the status of the other team members.

The combination could be a rookie coach, say Skipworth or Enright, with a new experienced mentor as manager, say Adam Simpson.

Have been waiting for my new name on here. Been a while since BBB retired

It may arrive shortly.

Buckley's Chance.

Consider it reserved 😆

As far as the details go, my understanding is that we asked the question to Buckley back at the start of the year to gauge his interest in the job.

Around when we hit 0-5.

As I said, the club and board doing what all clubs and boards should do. Cover all bases.

1 minute ago, Older demon said:

What has been lost in all the talk of who the HEAD coach will be is that no one has considered who the appointee will have as assistants. Only one poster mentioned Bucks with Sanderson as his tactician.

Goodwin and his team were all on the same page with regard to tactics, training, selection etc. Goody did not do all this alone. Yze, when he went to the Tigers, was asked about being the head coach for the first time. He responded that Goody was on the boundary and that he (Yze) was doing all the coaching from the box.

With Goody gone, the same coaching team move in and they aren't changing much.

The process of the new coach is as much about who the figurehead is as well as who his/her lieutenants will be. Goodwin had Radford, Jones (both relatively inexperienced AFL-level coaches), Bassett, who had been out of the game a while and Jamar as ruck coach. Only Troy Chaplin has been a constant there, and he was moved from the backline to the forward line coach. Include Richardson, the team manager and Griffith as fitness coach, and you have the real scope of the coaching replacement project

Newly appointed coaches like to bring in their own team and have to manage (read as deal with)existing coaches bound by contracts. All assistants have to be notified by the end of August if they will be renewed next season. We know Richardson has a year to run. Chocco is out of contract, and I have no idea of the status of the other team members.

The combination could be a rookie coach, say Skipworth or Enright, with a new experienced mentor as manager, say Adam Simpson.

well the story goes that buckley has been sounding out former assistants

• robert harvey - now at the aints under ross lyon, previously in charge of forwards, now the midfield

• scott burns - senior assistant at the crom; in charge of the forward line (i know! a small defender in charge of the forwards!! OH, THE HUMANITY!!!)

• brenton sanderson - working at mentone grammar and coaching balwyn in the ammos, plus sen radio spots

• justin longmuir - senior coach at flagmantle

• hayden skipworth - still at the filth as senior assistant coach; in charge of their midfield

• scott selwood - at the filth, as assistant coach, primarily in charge of the forwards (another defender! WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!)

• ash collins - general manager of football at werribee in the vfl

obviously longmuir is unlikely to be going anywhere with finals all but assured in 2025, and sanderson was previously buckley's right hand man, but who knows if he's interested in returning to the afl system with its associated pressure cooker environment

Edited August 10Aug 10 by whatwhat say what

I'm not in charge of the club so sadly won't be sitting on any selection panel even if we actually have one.
Don't know what's gonna happen but I do want a coach with an attacking mindset.
Sick of being bored to death watching us trying to strangle the opposition to death in an continuous scrum.
Sick of watching us trying (Usually very poorly) to defend leads in the last qtr instead of increasing them.

As Mitchell told his Hawthorn players at 3/4 time before they ran over the top of us ..... "Entertain me."
We gotta excite the membership, get bums on seats, eyes on the TV.
Continue to be boring in this day and age when everything out there is screaming for your attention and you're finished.
FINISHED.

Edited August 10Aug 10 by Fork 'em

31 minutes ago, Howard_Grimes said:

As far as the details go, my understanding is that we asked the question to Buckley back at the start of the year to gauge his interest in the job.

Around when we hit 0-5.

As I said, the club and board doing what all clubs and boards should do. Cover all bases.

Where did you hear this? Would have hit the media I imagine by now if true?

1 hour ago, Howard_Grimes said:

As far as the details go, my understanding is that we asked the question to Buckley back at the start of the year to gauge his interest in the job.

Around when we hit 0-5.

As I said, the club and board doing what all clubs and boards should do. Cover all bases.

Smith had a coffee with Buckley prior to round 4.

3 minutes ago, Gator said:

Smith had a coffee with Buckley prior to round 4.

Am impressed with the acumen of Smith.

7 minutes ago, Gator said:

Smith had a coffee with Buckley prior to round 4.

Hope he's had a coffee with McVee lately, g8r?

1 hour ago, Howard_Grimes said:

As far as the details go, my understanding is that we asked the question to Buckley back at the start of the year to gauge his interest in the job.

Around when we hit 0-5.

As I said, the club and board doing what all clubs and boards should do. Cover all bases.

HG, if the date of the meeting between Smith and Buckley that @Gator gave is accurate, then this took place when we were only 0-3. To me, this would imply that internal discussions on Goody would have started well before this for us to have actually reached the point where we were sounding out prospective coaches. Obviously our ‘24 years performance sowed a number of seeds of doubt.

In late April various reports said we had sounded out Beveridge which he understandably denied. totally-invested-here-luke-beveridge-distances-himself-from-melbourne-demons-move

We likely spoke to others so I don't doubt Buckley was one of them.

We started 0-5 unsurprising the club started looking around.

The media has all but stated Buckley is the man and will likely skip the process.

Wondering when an announcement will be?

8 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

In late April various reports said we had sounded out Beveridge which he understandably denied. totally-invested-here-luke-beveridge-distances-himself-from-melbourne-demons-move

We likely spoke to others so I don't doubt Buckley was one of them.

We started 0-5 unsurprising the club started looking around.

caro has been hot on this since april

i suspect bevo was our first port of call, and then focus shifted after he fineagled a new deal outta footscray

Buckley as coach may finally get Trac to barrack for the Dees

1 minute ago, adonski said:

Buckley as coach may finally get Trac to barrack for the Dees

Might have to bring in Pendlebury as an assistant coach after he retires for that to happen 🤣

He was a Dees supporter as a kid 👀

9 minutes ago, demoncat said:

Might have to bring in Pendlebury as an assistant coach after he retires for that to happen 🤣

He was a Dees supporter as a kid 👀

Provided they don't bring #4 in...

Edited August 10Aug 10 by Mickey

16 minutes ago, GawnOfTheDead said:

The media has all but stated Buckley is the man and will likely skip the process.

Wondering when an announcement will be?

It'd have to be post-season, right? Maybe the Wednesday after the final round?

Just now, Mickey said:

It'd have to be post-season, right? Maybe the Wednesday after the final round?

I assume as much, got to look like they’re looking around even if they have someone locked in?

30 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

HG, if the date of the meeting between Smith and Buckley that @Gator gave is accurate, then this took place when we were only 0-3. To me, this would imply that internal discussions on Goody would have started well before this for us to have actually reached the point where we were sounding out prospective coaches. Obviously our ‘24 years performance sowed a number of seeds of doubt.

Season was over once we lost to North by 10 goals in round 2. The next few games just sealed the deal.

“Buckley looks like the favourite to coach the Dees in 26. I wonder since he was a midfielder , will that mean we won't need a mid. coach?“

It’s an interesting question regardless of who gets the gig.

How have we rated Jonesy’s performance? It’s hard to make a definitive judgement, given some of our midfield issues have stemmed from factors beyond his control (essentially wavering form from Viney, Trac and more notably, Clarry). Regardless, he is the most inexperienced coach in the squad and the temptation to draw a correlation between any sort of underperformance is there, right or wrong

But relieving a club legend from the role after one season could be seen as a further blow to a playing group already adjusting to losing their head coach.

(Apologies, forgot to use the original quote/post from Cool X)

Edited August 10Aug 10 by Mel Bourne

3 hours ago, rpfc said:

Absolute shambles.

Then I am losing faith in the board.

Coaches are not players - they are the de facto leader of the club especially in a period where we have no CEO and an interim President.

Just fire him in April. As soon as you start tapping up someone - pull the trigger and deal with the consequences of your actions.

Still heading up the ever diminishing Conga line of Goodie apologists I see.

Gonna be a very lonely place.

3 hours ago, rpfc said:

Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

Season was over once we lost to North by 10 goals in round 2. The next few games just sealed the deal.

Though some will suggest otherwise the writing was on the wall after 24.

Just now, Mel Bourne said:

It’s an interesting question regardless of who gets the gig.

How have we rated Jonesy’s performance? It’s hard to make a definitive judgement, given some of our midfield issues have stemmed from factors beyond his control (essentially wavering form from Viney, Trac and more notably, Clarry). Regardless, he is the most inexperienced coach in the squad and the temptation to draw a correlation between any sort of underperformance is there, right or wrong

But relieving a club legend from the role after one season could be seen as a further blow to a playing group already adjusting to losing their head coach.

I'd happily keep him on as long as we have a senior midfield assistant to help support and guide Jonesy through his coaching journey.

1 hour ago, Howard_Grimes said:

As far as the details go, my understanding is that we asked the question to Buckley back at the start of the year to gauge his interest in the job.

Around when we hit 0-5.

As I said, the club and board doing what all clubs and boards should do. Cover all bases.

I have to take you at your word HG and doing so I like that the club has pulled lead on this. It actually shows me the club is being ruthless. I’m guilty of putting emotion into AFL when at the club and playing level it is a profession results driven sport.

I have also noticed Buckley has been very pro Dees this year in his analysis of our games.

I’m keen on Buckley. I think he’s our best chance of shorter term success.