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3 minutes ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

Yeah nah. He’s young, turned 21 last year. Compare his 2024 to Curnow and McKay’s 2018 (when they turned 21):

JVR avg 10.2 disposals vs Curnow 13.8 and McKay 10.6

Goals 1.4 vs 1.7 and 1.6

Hitouts 4.2 vs 0.1 and 1.9 (he’s had to do more work in the middle than either of the blue baggers did).

Tackles 1.8 vs 2.1 and 1.8

Goal assists 0.3 vs 0.2 and 0.2

DE% 70.6 vs 60.1 and 73.6

Marks i50 1.7 vs 1.9 and 1.7

He’s not far off 2 Coleman medalists at the same stage. Needs to work out his bodywork and footwork..

I don't particularly disagree with this.

But who's going to mentor and teach him ?

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    Any confirmation regarding May ?

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    25 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

    Any confirmation regarding May ?

    No

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    Hmmm, may May play May 3rd? maybe? Maybe not, Mayday for May.

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    1 hour ago, William said:

    In his first year at Casey, JVR was considered the next big thing for MFC. Like many players who do well at that level, he has failed in the next two seasons (and 45 senior games) to replicate that reserves form. So it is no surprise that he kicked a few last week - Richmond's reserves defense are so far below AFL standard that one should not extrapolate that performance into likely AFL outcomes. You will be disappointed if you do.

    I am glad JVR is (currently) not playing tomorrow. He clogs the forward line with his poor running patterns, dropped marks, and slow ground level movements.

    I know that is not a popular view but the data over many games bears it out.

    It’s ok to have an opinion that JVR hasn’t developed well, but go ahead and show us the “data” you speak of.

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    3 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

    I fly out tomorrow morning at stupid o’clock (6am) and fly out of Perth at stupider o’clock (midnight).

    That’s Deemented ! And expensive

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    4 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

    It’s ok to have an opinion that JVR hasn’t developed well, but go ahead and show us the “data” you speak of.

    Just throwing in a data point after my earlier blues comparison:

    Tom Hawkins over his first 5 years kicked 107 goals in 79 games (average 1.35pg). Went on to kick nearly 800 snags at 2.22pg.

    JVR is in his 3rd year and averages 1.35pg.

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    2 minutes ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

    Just throwing in a data point after my earlier blues comparison:

    Tom Hawkins over his first 5 years kicked 107 goals in 79 games (average 1.35pg). Went on to kick nearly 800 snags at 2.22pg.

    JVR is in his 3rd year and averages 1.35pg.

    he played in the most stacked team in the history of the game

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    1 minute ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

    What’s your point?

    07 onwards in his early days geelong were on another level, in a two year period they had 20 in the aa team cant remember what years, but there is only so many goals to go round if he was on another team even an average one he probs could have doubled that 107 goal figure

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    1 minute ago, jaydenh10 said:

    07 onwards in his early days geelong were on another level, in a two year period they had 20 in the aa team cant remember what years, but there is only so many goals to go round if he was on another team even an average one he probs could have doubled that 107 goal figure

    Coulda shoulda woulda didn’t. Don’t buy that argument.

    If JVR got better service from our mids he could also kick more goals, but you can’t kick what ifs.

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    17 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    I dont see those traits in Sharp at all so we'll agree to disagree.

    Also, this last paragraph is in my kind opinion, pretty irrelevant on any footy related discussion regardless on what level of footy I've played at.

    My views on footy should be seen as equal to yours and every other footy head on here Dub.

    I did after he laid 5 tackles and kicked 2 goals against Essendon.

    I thought finally he was heading on the right track until Goodwin said he needed to work on his defensive side of the game in a press game interview against Freo.. confusing, but okay..

    Thats why each week selection becomes confusing. I then watch him against GWS in the VFL and he barely got out of second gear and laid 1 tackle for the whole game.

    You then can't tell me his selection was justified off the back of that performance compared to JVR's 5 goal effort against Richmond.

    Once again this also shows the complete lack of support for Max Gawn regardless of how well he's playing. Matthew Lloyd was correct last week, the fact that we are still heavily relying on a 33 year champ who's got no back up whatsoeveris a huge concern.

    Petty is not a ruckman at all and we saw that last year when he got absolutely monstered by Darcy, so I have no idea what plan B is when Gawn needs a spell or heavin forbid he gets injured.

    Whatever your background is you don’t coach Melb ..you’re not involved with the coaching panel in any way. Maybe before you flat out criticise the selection of the team …let’s see how they go. Maybe our coaches know a bit more about the players and their capabilities than you do. Constructive criticism is helpful but not sure why you flat out bag coach & players before game is even played ?

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    24 minutes ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

    If JVR got better service from our mids he could also kick more goals, but you can’t kick what ifs.

    true he could have been top 3 in coleman if our delivery i50 was better last year. but he needs to change the way he goes about it, alot of the time he starts from behind the contest if in a 1v1 and stays there commentators mentioned this in the vfl game vs tigs

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    39 minutes ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

    Just throwing in a data point after my earlier blues comparison:

    Tom Hawkins over his first 5 years kicked 107 goals in 79 games (average 1.35pg). Went on to kick nearly 800 snags at 2.22pg.

    JVR is in his 3rd year and averages 1.35pg.

    Good point he took backward steps in 2010 and had big question marks on him but really blossomed from late 2011 onwards despite being a Premiership player in 2009

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    2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

    The problem I fear with Roo extends to the whole of our forward 'structure' ( I apply that word hesitantly). Roo burst upon the scene and we could all see the raw talent and for mine that's still pretty well where it sits. A talent, raw, unrefined and problematically underdeveloped.

    That is the crux of our dilemma imho. We have no real idea what we're doing in the front arc.

    Roo is still essentially playing the same level he was 3 years ago.

    I put that fairly at the feet of the FD

    maybe thats as good as he gets☹️

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    5 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

    What's the reason there's speculation that May is out? Was he absent from the Training run at Optus Stadium today?

    Why would you fly him over with little intention of playing him, unless of course he's aggravated something while over there.

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    3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    That is dedication.

    You might need a nap at the footy.

    There’s a finite number of Red Bulls that the human body can take. But I’ll give it a fair crack. If the broadcast shows the cheer squad and you see someone asleep on a pillow made of floggers as early as during the first quarter, you’ll know that Red Bull in fact doesn’t give you wings.

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    23 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    Just realised we've lost 8 of our last 9 games away from the MCG.

    Not a tremendously amazing stat to hang our hats on.

    To be fair, we’ve lost a lot of our last 9 games at home too 😂


    1 hour ago, jaydenh10 said:

    07 onwards in his early days geelong were on another level, in a two year period they had 20 in the aa team cant remember what years, but there is only so many goals to go round if he was on another team even an average one he probs could have doubled that 107 goal figure

    That makes zero sense.

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    17 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

    I’m far from sold on the changes.

    Yet another different look forward of the ball. The worst second-ruck option yet, whoever it is. Have we all forgotten how awful Petty was at that last year? And why would we subject him to that when he seems to be building form as a forward?

    Meanwhile Turner plays back, right? Given his form down there against Freo was good? Or does he get put forward, where he’s been as underwhelming this year as JVR but JVR at least kicked 5 last week.

    And yeah I don’t know if our forward half really needs both Fritsch and Melksham in it.

    Fully support the Clarry decision though. It’s a sign of maturity from both the club and Clarry, IMO.

    I agree with Clayton stepping back, it’s clear he’s got things to work through still.

    I am more curious on the clubs plan with him moving forward…

    He’s playing ok, not at all to his best though. He isn’t worth the capital he was, and I’d argue he’s not even an upper tier player anymore, probably somewhere in the middle.

    Will the club be trying to move him on to get in other players? If so, what’s he worth and what will they get?

    The alternative is that they hold him, pray he turns good, and put up with the absences and relatively poor performances.

    Either way, I don’t envy the club and their decisions surrounding Clayton, which really is a shame. He’s always been one of my favorites.

    1 hour ago, Deestar9 said:

    Whatever your background is you don’t coach Melb ..you’re not involved with the coaching panel in any way. Maybe before you flat out criticise the selection of the team …let’s see how they go. Maybe our coaches know a bit more about the players and their capabilities than you do. Constructive criticism is helpful but not sure why you flat out bag coach & players before game is even played ?

    I'm sorry but who are you?

    I'll be sure to consult you next time I post a footy related opinion. If you had taken the time to properly read through i also tipped us to win tomorrow's game regardless if I didn't agree with team selection.

    You're clearly new to here if you were offended with what I wrote which was actually mild in the grand scheme of things.

     
    2 hours ago, 640MD said:

    That’s Deemented ! And expensive

    No - I'M Deemented!

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    2 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

    It’s ok to have an opinion that JVR hasn’t developed well, but go ahead and show us the “data” you speak of.

    I’d also like to see just how many key position forwards were crushing it in their first three seasons. I doubt it’s been too many.

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