13 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Who do think the AFL has earmarked for the Tassie gig, Bucks or Horse?

I think Longmire would be the better option with a Tasmanian as his 2IC (ie: Jeremy Howe/Ben Brown).

1 hour ago, Go Ds said:

Absolute mayhem with two top four finishes?!

Who were the 4 best missing from Brisbane? The only person missing from the previous 2 years best and fairest top 10 in their winning GF were Rich (retired) and Oscar Mac (injured in prelim). Who apart from the promising Kiddy Coleman? You're kidding if you think losing Petracca, Brayshaw the whole year plus having a compromised Oliver would not debilitate other teams if they had been as badly hit.

U are making excuses!

Not a Goody post but the Flagmantle facebook page having a melt about Justin Longmuir and wanting him fired,  he's on a unique contract set up isn't he?

Who would they go for in the event he's fired? 

2 hours ago, Brownie said:

(I love Jonsey but is he the right coach to teach this style?)

No way he’s the right clearance coach. He was great at forcing a stoppage, but that’s not the game any more. And while it’s not essential for a coach or teacher to have mastered their content, it’s hard when the content is the opposite to their life’s experience.

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

U are making excuses!

You didn't answer my question: who were all these missing stars from Brisbane? I look forward to watching the new tactic of teams resting their best players a lot because it doesn't actually matter who they have out on the field.

Edited March 24Mar 24 by Go Ds

27 minutes ago, Go Ds said:

You didn't answer my question: who were all these missing stars from Brisbane? I look forward to watching the new tactic of teams resting their best players a lot because it doesn't actually matter who they have out on the field.

The other 3 were Lincoln McCarthy Tom Doedee from Adelaide and a HB flanker who has played 10 years at Brisbane and whose name escapes me. Subsequently Oscar Macinerney of course. 

41 minutes ago, Go Ds said:

You didn't answer my question: who were all these missing stars from Brisbane? I look forward to watching the new tactic of teams resting their best players a lot because it doesn't actually matter who they have out on the field.

Linc McCarthy, Darcy Gardiner, Keidan Coleman, Tom Doedee.

They missed both premiership players in Will Ashcroft and Jack Payne for half a year due to injury and then lost their number 1 ruckman in Oscar McInerney for the grand final.

3 hours ago, Brownie said:

I tend to agree with this.

Anyone in any job where they've implemented a new process and all it does is create mistakes, frustration and chaos most of the time, tend to throw their hands in the air and not give it their all when it's obvious it's just not working.

It's human nature.

That's what I saw after half time.

the players love Goody and that's a foundation stone for the team and that's great.

What I don't know and what most of us probably don't know completely is....

Is it the right system?

Can we execute it properly with enough practice?

Do we have the right skills to execute?

Do we have the right players to execute?

What worries me most is the first two questions.

If the system / process works, the belief, enthusiasm and effort grows amongst the playing group. When it doesn't, they drop their heads. JVR looked completely disillusioned by half time.

Playing soccer instead of drilling drop punts from 40 metres out at 45 degrees (not trick shots from the boundary in their spare time)?

The f50 entry process has been busted for three years now. Seriously, this worries me. This is not one match this is 3 seasons of failure.

Spreading hard and fast through the corridor from the contest and keeping possession? (I love Jonsey but was is he the right coach to teach this style?)

Defending the counter attack when turn overs occur?

We may not have the perfect squad but I suspect the system we're trying to transform into is well and truly broken.

That's how a club loses players.

Good point re old dogs and new tricks.  Its simply not that easy to significantly change your skills and decision making under pressure after you're in the afl system for 5 years. 

But yes, Goody is under pressure cause he keeps putting round pegs in square holes.  Thats on him.  Geelong, Pies, Swans... can u tell me their starting cba midfield this week? I cant.   

Also, the 'learnings' mantra has lost its resonance.  What a load of nonsense its become.   Case in point (and I apologise for the pile on here on JV but it illustrates a point).  Viney had a shocking end of the 3rd. Ok, skill errors happens. Its happened now for 5 years but it happens. 'Learnings'.  I'm sure it was mentioned at 3 qtr time.   Then, middle of the fourth quarter then he gets the ball off half back, under some pressure in a pack but not heavy. And without looking, he torpedoes down the line to 3 norf players?!?! Where and what exactly has been learnt? 

Having said this, this is the one week we do not want to change the midfield mix. GC mids are bulls and butchers the same as us, but ours are a class above which is why we havent lost to them for 10 years.  (and JV to be in our best)

4 hours ago, Roost it far said:

If we miss finals or limp in to get flogged in an elimination final I’d say Goodwin will go. We’d then likely look for the next Kingsley type. You gotta understand that with a new coach comes a new strategy which will take several years to bed in. If a new coach comes I’d hock Petracca for draft capital. 2 high picks would do it for me. Not because I don’t think he’s an awesome player but because we can’t carry an ageing list for ever and need more high picks. We have great young talent we just need to manage the transition. I’m still hopeful we’ll improve as the season goes on. Confident we’ll bounce back against GC.

New coaches can sometimes make an instant impact like Kingsley, Macrae, Mitchell.  So who knows?

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

U are making excuses!

Also we only finished the year once in the top 4 (2021). 

2022 & 2023 we finished the H&A in top 4, but they don’t hand out cups to minor premiers do they.

18 hours ago, 1858 said:

If it is experience that we want then Longmire is the only option.

No to Simpson, no to Hinkley.

Agree JL by a mile. He talks good sense when on AFL360 tome. Get him before Freo or else steal him. Too good to pass up. 

Seriously if by the Anzac game we are not 4/3 or worst at 3/4 then time to change as both players and coaches will not be listening to each other, 

3 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Also we only finished the year once in the top 4 (2021). 

2022 & 2023 we finished the H&A in top 4, but they don’t hand out cups to minor premiers do they.

2018 we did 4th. 

18 hours ago, Redlagged said:

I've always struggled with the idea that Goodwin actually isn't very bright. Probably unfair. And ultimately you have to blame the players for today's fiasco.

But really...I saw that little video Goodwin had up on the MFC web site during the week. Having a nice red while boiling  a pot of water for a spag bol and mouthing comforting inanities about the team. (Sweeping shot of the cosy kitchen included.) And it filled me with total despair. FFS! Can we get a serious coach please, and not a lifestyle/pissweak new age [censored]?

 

I had to quote you because there's no pull your head in emoji. Pyhi.

6 minutes ago, DubDee said:

New coaches can sometimes make an instant impact like Kingsley, Macrae, Mitchell.  So who knows?

maybe but I’m not sacking Goodwin

11 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Linc McCarthy, Darcy Gardiner, Keidan Coleman, Tom Doedee.

They missed both premiership players in Will Ashcroft and Jack Payne for half a year due to injury and then lost their number 1 ruckman in Oscar McInerney for the grand final.

God it was an impressive flag from Brisbane wasn’t it? Have to tip your hat to them

12 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

He lost the players last year. We finished 14th and we are bottom 4 ATM.

Except he DIDN’T lose the players last year. Nor has he lost them now. He likely won’t lose them anytime soon.

This isn’t directed just at you but for anyone calling for Goody to be sacked… if he is sacked, it WON’T be because of how the players feel about him and that’s a fact.

Also, call for his head all you like but be careful what you wish for. If Goody is sacked we may need to prepare for the absence of Clarrie and Kozzie coz make no mistake: he is like a father to them both. For those who will predictably say that’s not what coaching’s all about… you may be right. But what I’m telling you is right or wrong it will happen. 

23 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Except he DIDN’T lose the players last year. Nor has he lost them now. He likely won’t lose them anytime soon.

This isn’t directed just at you but for anyone calling for Goody to be sacked… if he is sacked, it WON’T be because of how the players feel about him and that’s a fact.

Also, call for his head all you like but be careful what you wish for. If Goody is sacked we may need to prepare for the absence of Clarrie and Kozzie coz make no mistake: he is like a father to them both. For those who will predictably say that’s not what coaching’s all about… you may be right. But what I’m telling you is right or wrong it will happen. 

While i respect that you are somewhat closer to some of the players and their mums (families) than many here GW, along with your view that all's well in the last few seasons, that is not entirely correct.

I know of one premiership player (who shall remain nameless) that decided to move on after not seeing eye to eye with Simon (either in part or mostly as a result of)

Sure, no doubt that happens at clubland from time to time and player / coach part ways.

It also doesn't mean he's lost all of them either.

However, your assumption that 'all's well inside the fall walls' and everyone's 100% on the Simon train may or may not be accurate as we sit here today.

It certainly didn't appear that way yesterday from alot of them.  Many looked like they didn't even want to be out there.

And it's only a gut feel but Kozzy is most likely already going at year's end regardless.  Whether that has anything to do with his relationship with Simon or not, who knows.

Edited March 24Mar 24 by Demon Dynasty

21 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Except he DIDN’T lose the players last year. Nor has he lost them now. He likely won’t lose them anytime soon.

This isn’t directed just at you but for anyone calling for Goody to be sacked… if he is sacked, it WON’T be because of how the players feel about him and that’s a fact.

Also, call for his head all you like but be careful what you wish for. If Goody is sacked we may need to prepare for the absence of Clarrie and Kozzie coz make no mistake: he is like a father to them both. For those who will predictably say that’s not what coaching’s all about… you may be right. But what I’m telling you is right or wrong it will happen. 

I know you love him, but if we keep underperforming and losing badly and playing a terrible "brand" then those two and many others will want to go.  

6 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

However, your assumption that 'all's well inside the fall walls' and everyone's 100% on the Simon train

Never said this. 

I don't doubt that the players love him and have the utmost respect for him. I do wonder if the message is getting through as strongly as it used to. 

When you hear the coach come out and say that what we saw was nothing like what we've trained for it raises eyebrows. I don't think I've heard a coach of ours say something like this since Neeld after the Rd 1 Port loss. The difference is that they are not the same, one of them can definitely coach and you'd be a fool to argue it. But you wouldn't be a fool to question it. 

Why would they train a whole pre season doing one thing and then do the opposite in Rd 2? Yes, old habits die hard especially when you're under pressure but at some point you need to adapt or die. If the players can't follow the directive then they shouldn't be in there. 

 

 

9 hours ago, Redleg_Knowledge said:

With respect, you know as little as anyone on here. In fact, I'd say there are a few on here who actually do have connections to players, partners/families etc. To think that you are privy to what the players actually think of Goody just because you attend training is borderline delusional.

I think it's fairly obvious from that performance yesterday and the rumblings of last year that Goody's messaging to the players isn't exactly sticking. Whether they like him or not is irrelevant. What's relevant is whether or not the players believe in the messaging. And to me, the feeling is the players aren't entirely onboard. 

Who are you? Seriously, who the [censored] are you? You’ve been here for five minutes and your posts are predominantly belligerent, which isn’t usual for someone who is relatively new to this site. You smack of someone who’s been here in another incarnation, an equally combative incarnation. Therefore please don’t interact with me in any capacity. Thanks in advance 

Incidentally, don’t preface a post with “With respect” then call someone delusional which is undeniably disrespectful. It makes you look stupid(er).

2 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

While i respect that you are somewhat closer to some of the players and their mums (families) than many here GW, along with your view that all's well in the last few seasons, that is not entirely correct.

I know of one premiership player (who shall remain nameless) that decided to move on after not seeing eye to eye with Simon (either in part or mostly as a result of)

Sure, no doubt that happens at clubland from time to time and player / coach part ways.

It also doesn't mean he's lost all of them either.

However, your assumption that 'all's well inside the fall walls' and everyone's 100% on the Simon train may or may not be accurate as we sit here today.

It certainly didn't appear that way yesterday from alot of them.  Many looked like they didn't even want to be out there.

And it's only a gut feel but Kozzy is most likely already going at year's end regardless.  Whether that has anything to do with his relationship with Simon or not, who knows.

"I know of a premiership player". It's pretty easy to guess who you might be referring to. If you don't want to name them, don't allude. There aren't many ex Melbourne premiership players around. 

No-one is saying everything is hunky dory. But people need to take a step back and remember that the players are human, and everyone has off days, off seasons etc. 

Okay. I'm going to say it.

I suspect that the only thing keeping this club from ripping itself apart at the seams is the unity of the players and Goodwin.

I suspect it is Neal Daniher level stuff going on with the effort to keep the off-field silly buggers, white-anting and astroturfing as much as possible out of the heads of the players.

Either way, I can only hope that the most active and ardent supporters of the club, many of whom are to be found on this site, can recognise that it is time to be the good teammate and not be spitting kerosene on the pockets of hot ash permanently embedded in our club.

It’s a shame that this discussion is happening at round 2 but for some, who have been wanting to rid the club of Goody for a while, losing to North in the way that we did, this is the last straw.

It raises an interesting few questions though;

Is the list good enough?

Is the game plan one which will make us competitive?

Has the coach got the game day nous to change tactics mid match?

Has the list development brought through the next generation?

People can argue the above all they like but the TL:DR version is most likely, ‘No’ ‘No’ ‘No’ & ‘No’

From that you could argue Goody should be fired. He has his fingerprints on all of those 4 areas.

But it’s not that simple. How about the culture of the playing list and the attitude of the players, professional footballers, towards the coach and the messaging and adherence to game plan?

Does that fact that a lot of players openly love Goody help? Do you need to have a father/son type relationship with your playing group?

In regards to the above 2 paragraphs, I think we all know the culture has not been that of a high performance elite sporting organisation. What we had was 4-5 generational talents drive us to success. Transgressions were ignored as long as we were still performing. 
The lack of adherence to any changes to the game plan is either woeful coaching and instruction or complete indifference from the senior leaders to the new plan. Either way that is pretty damning.

Additionally, any good working relationship needs some level of tension. It seems like there isn’t enough respect or tension between players and coaching staff to get things done. 3/4 time on the weekend was the perfect time for Goody and the playing group to make a statement against a young, well coached hungry side. That was a huge fail. Epic.

On balance, Goody deserved to have this season to right the ship. Whilst not a fan of him, I couldn’t see a scenario where the club would sack him. Give him the opportunity to either make some fundamental changes to the way he coaches and communicates with players  and develop the younger players. If the players have genuine care for Goody and each other, they’ll turn up on Saturday. Maybe that will turn the ship a little. My thoughts are that the writings on the wall, but for now, we should back him in.

39 minutes ago, Flowergirl said:

No-one is saying everything is hunky dory. But people need to take a step back and remember that the players are human, and everyone has off days, off seasons etc. 

Of course they are.  I was  responding to someone who said just that FG

That's also a no win response on your part.  If i named you'd say shame on you for naming said player.  What hard evidence do you have!?? Etc etc.

Sorry but you can't have your cake etc.