It's not often that the PSD cards fall perfectly, we should be leveraging the threat all the way to pulling the trigger.

Just now, GS_1905 said:

Yeah but Jordan Clark was always luming as a great player before he had a falling out with Matty Scarlett at the cats and would struggle to get a game. Judd will simply take Warner's role, which is a lockdown small defender. He was never a running half back. In fact Juddy isnt one either..too slow.

Clark got turned into an AA by the dockers. They’ve sold that same vision to Judd. And they have Bailey Banfield playing off half back so they sure have room for him to slot in. Actually off the top of my head I can’t think of any other running half backs they have aside from Clark.

19 minutes ago, mmwd6 said:

Clark got turned into an AA by the dockers. They’ve sold that same vision to Judd. And they have Bailey Banfield playing off half back so they sure have room for him to slot in. Actually off the top of my head I can’t think of any other running half backs they have aside from Clark.

It does bother me a little that Freo turned Jackson's head this way as well. I recall it was something like 'you can be more than just a ruckman or a forward, you can be the next running Adam Goodes unicorn machine'.

On the flip side maybe they are selling individual promises too much and not enough team success vision?

Either way Freo are snivelling little conniving dogs not to be trusted around anyone half decent we draft from WA. We really should start targeting their Victorian talent.

8 minutes ago, layzie said:

It does bother me a little that Freo turned Jackson's head this way as well. I recall it was something like 'you can be more than just a ruckman or a forward, you can be the next running Adam Goodes unicorn machine'.

On the flip side maybe they are selling individual promises too much and not enough team success vision?

This is a good point. On paper, they have an amazing list but they either have too many individuals happy to take top dollar but not commit to team footy OR they have a coaching department that cannot get the best out of the team. No matter how they sell it, Juddy should be aware that they have not been able to get things done when it matters.

1 minute ago, Mouseymoo said:

Either way Freo are snivelling little conniving dogs not to be trusted around anyone half decent we draft from WA. We really should start targeting their Victorian talent.

Every team does it, we are not helping ourselves by continuing to go after WA talent.

1 hour ago, roy11 said:

they are really clutching for content aren't they?

23 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Pick 11 for McVee is completely unrealistic. He's out of contract so we have little bargaining power.

Once again, Bailey Smith was traded for just pick 17 (and a swap of later picks)- a player that won the coaches votes this year and won his side a final in 2021. How can McVee be anywhere near that market value?

Caleb Daniel was under contract, so North had to pay above market value. McVee is uncontracted.

If you believe McVee is going to be the premier small defender of the comp with an All Australian blazer in 2026, then sure, pick 11 is commensurate.

Pick 11 will blow out to pick 16/17 in a weak compromised draft, It will probably net Greeves/Philipou/ Dovaston etc., whilst rated reasonably highly, there is no guarantee that any play more than 50 games over their careers, hopefully JT can work his magic. Pick 29 from Freo will probably blow out to pick 36 which would be a speculative pick only in this weak draft, and way unders for a best 22 player. Maybe Judd plus pick gained for Spargo (end of round 2/ start round 3 hopefully) for 11 (16/17) + pick 47 might be fair. Just my opinion!.

30 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

How is the young brigade blending together?

Our next superstars in Windsor, Langford and XL?

All very different boys but they get along really well. X is rather quiet and reserved, similar to Judd, and seems more mature than the others but gets on with everyone nonetheless. The Bison is also pretty mellow and extremely humble. It’s endearing how modest he is. The No DHs rule is still in force.

The parents of the young ‘uns love that their boys are with the MFC and that’d be because their boys are happy here.

#CultureShmulture 😁

15 hours ago, Bay Riffin said:

pick 11 in a weak draft and will be pushed back a number of picks as we know. hes absolutely worth pick 11. cough up or weagles take him in the preseason draft.

he is worth around 24, 11 doesn't move back that far. Walking him to the pre season doesn't happen. This is why we aren't list managers!

15 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

I really still think he’s going to be a terrific lockdown small defender for Flagmantle for the next decade

Such a shame

Judd will be disappointed if hes played a lockdown defender, thats not what hes been sold and wants

2 hours ago, mmwd6 said:

Jordan Clark. Went from not being able to get a game to an AA player. Which ironically is probably the exact example that convinced Judd to go over.

1 hour ago, mmwd6 said:

Clark got turned into an AA by the dockers. They’ve sold that same vision to Judd. And they have Bailey Banfield playing off half back so they sure have room for him to slot in. Actually off the top of my head I can’t think of any other running half backs they have aside from Clark.

Clarke also went from a 20yo to a 25yo and that has nothing to do with Freo. Its multiple preseason, its maturing as a player, its experience. freo didn't magically give him talent.

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27 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

Judd will be disappointed if hes played a lockdown defender, thats not what hes been sold and wants

Clarke also went from a 20yo to a 25yo and that has nothing to do with Freo. Its multiple preseason, its maturing as a player, its experience. freo didn't magically give him talent.

They gave him Opportunity and space to develop in the position he wanted to play which Geelong refused to do. He had 3 seasons, Judd had 4. You can argue all you want but no doubt Judd sees similarities between that situation and his.

Just now, mmwd6 said:

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They gave him Opportunity and space to develop in the position he wanted to play which Geelong refused to do. He had 3 seasons, Judd had 4. You can argue all you want but no doubt Judd sees similarities between that situation and his.

yes and Geelong have such a terrible development history of playing guys in the VFL. The only similarities i see are players who have inflated opinions of themselves being selfish and taking there bat and going home when they dont get played in the position they want. No just happy to play my role within the team here.

3 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

Totally. They’re very good mates. I think it’s because Luker is so easygoing which one would need to be in order to hang out with Kolt who’s not everyone’s cup of tea, so to speak. Kolt has a BIG personality and Luker is super chill which makes it work perfectly. They’re both great lads 🥰

They’re both Subiaco boys, Kolt from their regional zone and Luka from their metro zone. Both part of their 2005 crop so with development, Futures and Colts added to WA squads they have a fair history together

I don't wanna have a crack at McVee but i am just not sure he's going to be an effective attacking half back... he's a gun lock down small defender, someone who could be all australian in that role, but while he's quick, he's not an amazing kick, just solid, i don't think he has the natural game sense others do and just seems to have better defensive than offensive instincts.

hats off to freo if they can make it work but my vibe is that Judd got pigeon holed into a role because he was great at it and it was getting the absolute max out of him as a footballer

10 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

I don't wanna have a crack at McVee but i am just not sure he's going to be an effective attacking half back... he's a gun lock down small defender, someone who could be all australian in that role, but while he's quick, he's not an amazing kick, just solid, i don't think he has the natural game sense others do and just seems to have better defensive than offensive instincts.

hats off to freo if they can make it work but my vibe is that Judd got pigeon holed into a role because he was great at it and it was getting the absolute max out of him as a footballer

that's my vibe too

perfect player for the lockdown rule but he wants to play a rebound one

I changed my mind on Judd's worth.

Top 10 B&F finish 2034 and 2024(7th). He is only 22. Plenty of growth.

I think its pick 11 ( with FA compo for WCE and academy equals around pick 15) and maybe our 2nd rounder back or a future.

At 11 which will be around 15 Freo get a sure thing even if he does not improve from his top 10 finishes. If he gets better then they nailed an absolute bargain.

At 15 no sure thing about getting a player that can get anywhere near top 10 B & F finish.

Wonder whether we will ask for one of their 3 tall forwards as part of a deal.

8 hours ago, layzie said:

Can you think of anyone in recent times who went to Freo and elevated their game? Not just maintain their level, grow to become a better player.

The case can be made for Jackson although there is still room for improvement there, but apart from maybe Will Brodie who has barely been on the park lately this doesn't appear to be a club you go for dreams to come true. Even going back 15-20 years. Hogan, Hill, Kerstin, Bennell, Mccarthy, Farmer, Tarrant, Josh Carr, Col Sylvia, Croad have you got time this morning? I can go on.

Subjective of course but when you look at someone like Geelong or Sydney in recent times they are poles apart in getting players to another level.

corey wagner says hello

8 hours ago, roy11 said:

Wilkie apparently staying after Saints upped his rate.

Walking him to the PSD is a genuinely valid option

Pony up Freo or else

5 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

hats off to freo if they can make it work but my vibe is that Judd got pigeon holed into a role because he was great at it and it was getting the absolute max out of him as a footballer

This is the only hat I'd take off for Freo, TL.

9 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Wilkie apparently staying after Saints upped his rate.

Hmmm maybe they can up their offer to Wilkie coz Flanders isn’t going there… or has Ross the Boss found a farm?

Maybe i missed it, but didnt Judd have a gf with the womens team? Howd the news go down with her or is she going to request a trade at season end too?

21 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

And our new coach couldn’t overcome that [censored] to force him into a rethink? King has talked of a reset, more attacking game style, meets McVee who says he wants more attacking role but after meeting requests transfer! The new coach is not having a great impact so far.

Maybe King played footage of him kicking Jeff White in the face on repeat and told McVee he would kick him in the face if he says no to being a shutdown defender.

Very sad to see Juddy go.

Was a fine player and fabulous disposer of the pill by foot.

Something that's not easy to find in footy nowadays and certainly a trait that not many are all that good at on our list right now.

Good luck to him anyway.

Only hope we can bring in a replacement with similar finish and finesse by foot to counter this loss.

15 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Hmmm maybe they can up their offer to Wilkie coz Flanders isn’t going there… or has Ross the Boss found a farm?

Hopefully you’re right about Flanders, the well must nearly be dry by now.