On 26/11/2024 at 02:13, Dr. Gonzo said:

Yes but also propped up with academy picks through that time. Heeney, Mills, Blakey three of their best players they otherwise wouldn't have had. Gulden too?

And other clubs have had father sons, the academy is not the reason for their success

  On 26/11/2024 at 03:05, Little Goffy said:

His win rate is less than 1 game per season better than Goodwin and for finals they are equal.

Goodwin has only ever coached one finals blow-out, in his first ever finals campaign with a young team with barely a player who had finals experience.

Longmire has literally never coached a team with less finals experience than the Demon's have now!

Anyway, Longmire is a very good coach who fell short of greatness despite everything in his favour.

I'm really just throwing down the gauntlet to any of the Goodwin-hating numbnuts out there who also want to pump Longmire's tyres.

I’m a Goodwin fan, so you don’t need to tell me 

  On 26/11/2024 at 02:14, Pennant St Dee said:

Took longer then I expected but the Genius that is “Chris from Camberwell” finally called Dwayne to ask why Melbourne wouldn’t consider Longmire

Review:

• Goody has been under a lot of pressure, needs to find the joy again and chillax

Chris from Camberwell's (who surely posts on DL - c'mon fess up) recommendation:

• Sack Goody and replace him with a bloke that looks like he's seconds from a heart attack 30 time a game as he screams into his hands and is coming off yet another embarrassing Grand Final capitulation. 

Not suprised by this at all, more suprised he didn’t do it the monday after the GF. He was a shattered man at the Press Conference after the Game…

His Boys don’t fire shots in GF’s lately…

  On 25/11/2024 at 23:43, Little Goffy said:

Oh to be a club that doesn't leak.

This has probably been a conversation with Dean Cox for a couple of months. You can guarantee Cox would have been having significant input into trade and draft conversations with this transition in mind.

I have mixed feelings about Longmire's legacy.

Zero doubt he is a very good coach, but I cringe when people describe him as great or one of the best. In the end, with a lot of favours going his way (coaching a club in solid form with ideal facilities and established culture, significant home ground advantage, which had already played finals almost continuously for 15 years, and which wasn't subject to the 'natural cycle' thanks to academy pick top-ups) his coaching record is roughly on par with Simon Goodwin.

 

My thoughts exactly. Good clubs simply just fade from the spotlight and work without fuss.

People who were saying our issues were media beat up driven stories are seriously misguided. 

This is where I hope we would learn, take the lessons and grow as a club. May seem like a small thing, but it does add up. 

Also, on the flip side, I’d argue Longmire is one of the best. Yes, Sydney get a leg up in terms of academy, but let’s not forget the plethora of rookies they also handpicked.

Cunningham pick 49 rookie draft, Jake Lloyd and Rampe were rookie pick ups in 2013, George Hewett, Hayden McLean and Allir Allir were also not rated and were all moulded into very good AFL footballers during the Longmire era. 

Ain’t even including other rookies like Papley, Amartey, Fox and Melican. 

Even rookies asides, Parker, Tom McCartin, Warner, Rowbottom and McInerny were late picks and passed on by other clubs. 

As a coach he has moulded a handful of rookies into outright superstars (Papley, Rampe- super underrated, Allir) or at worst very good players of the competition. Not many coaches would have this particular type of record of consistently delivering on no names and giving them a reputation. 

 

Edited November 26, 2024Nov 26 by VNightCityLegend

I’m going to put Longmire into the same bucket as Buckley, Roos etc who get trucked out by commentators and punters every time a team is looking for a coach.  He’s cooked people!

  On 26/11/2024 at 00:47, Jaded No More said:

He would be an outstanding footy manager if we decide to part ways with Richo at the end of 2025. 

What about Senior Coach? Even better I think than Footy Dept Manager. 

  On 26/11/2024 at 05:30, kryton101 said:

I’m going to put Longmire into the same bucket as Buckley, Roos etc who get trucked out by commentators and punters every time a team is looking for a coach.  He’s cooked people!

Longmire might be many things, but I doubt he's a cannibal!

Explains why Cox didn't go after the West Coast job.

  On 26/11/2024 at 03:10, Demons11 said:

And other clubs have had father sons, the academy is not the reason for their success

Yes father sons create an imbalance too but not to the same extent as academy picks which help regenerate the list with top players every other year. Without their academy selections they wouldn't have made the 2022 or 2024 GFs.

  On 26/11/2024 at 03:10, Demons11 said:

And other clubs have had father sons, the academy is not the reason for their success

Might as well say 'and other clubs can access free agency' or 'other clubs have trades'.

Sydney has exactly the same access to f/s selections as every other club. Tom Mitchell was one of their best when they [] the bed against the Bulldogs in 2016.

In addition to that they have been able to recruit, using disposable late picks;

Braeden Campbell (2020), Errol Gulden (2020), Nick Blakey (2018), Callum Mills (2015), Isaac Heeney (2014)

2024 Swans best and fairest

1. Heeney, 2 Gulden, 5, Blakey,

2023 Swans best and fairest

1. Gulden, 2 Blakey, 8 Mills

2022 Swans Best and fairest

1. Mills, 5 Heeney, 7 Gulden

 

Without the academy free kicks Sydney would have spent the last eight or so years being competitive but not a serious threat. Certainly their last grand final appearance would have been 2016, and even that season got a major boost from the fast-starting Heeney and Mills.

 

 

  On 26/11/2024 at 03:10, Demons11 said:

And other clubs have had father sons, the academy is not the reason for their success

So those players mentioned have not contributed to the Swans making 2 of the last 3 Grand Finals? 

Think you are on your own on this one. 

same as the Suns they have a raft of Academy recruits. Make a difference also. 

Brisbane now have the 2 Ashcrofts and Fletcher plus Marshall all will be vital players in their effort to go back to back! 

Don’t rhink  Mac Andrew’s would slot in our team at CHB or CHF? And improve our footy.

That’s  exactly what the idea of the Northern Academies are to assist the NSW and QLD teams to be competitive and it is working before our eyes. 

  On 26/11/2024 at 03:10, Demons11 said:

And other clubs have had father sons, the academy is not the reason for their success

So those players mentioned have not contributed to the Swans making 2 of the last 3 Grand Finals? 

Think you are on your own on this one. 

same as the Suns they have a raft of Academy recruits. Make a difference also. 

Brisbane now have the 2 Ashcrofts and Fletcher plus Marshall all will be vital players in their effort to go back to back! 

Don’t rhink  Mac Andrew’s would slot in our team at CHB or CHF? And improve our footy.

That’s  exactly what the idea of the Northern Academies are to assist the NSW and QLD teams to be competitive and it is working before our eyes. 

  On 25/11/2024 at 23:06, Demonstone said:

Horse replaced by Big Cox in a like for like transition.

That could add to the confusion old fellah.

So Swans have Big Cox.

  On 26/11/2024 at 05:45, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Longmire might be many things, but I doubt he's a cannibal!

One missed comma…. 

  On 25/11/2024 at 23:06, Supreme_Demon said:

Would love John Longmire as an assistant coach at the Demons.

But I suspect he will take a year or two off coaching and then wait for a coaching opportunity at another AFL Club.

 

ASSISTANT?? WOULD LOVE HIM TO BE OUR SENIOR COACH!!

  On 26/11/2024 at 03:05, Little Goffy said:

I'm really just throwing down the gauntlet to any of the Goodwin-hating numbnuts out there who also want to pump Longmire's tyres.

I'm certainly not Goodwin hating but I think it's important for our management to find out what Longmire is looking to do in 2026. He may be being sounded out for the Tazzie role, or looking at media or a job with the AFL or a complete break from coaching for a period of years. Another team may get to him and offer a huge amount of money. All that's fine.

But there is a scenario where we finish 10th or below and people will be screaming for Goodies head. This is the scenario where having had a conversation with Longmire, we can push to make it an option for him.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very bullish about our chances of getting back up the ladder and playing finals again in 2025. With Goodwin as coach. We have a very good list on paper, and if the stars align we should be considered as a team capable of winning the flag. But we should all be asking what is a pass mark for Goodwin in 2025? 

  On 26/11/2024 at 03:20, binman said:

Review:

• Goody has been under a lot of pressure, needs to find the joy again and chillax

Chris from Camberwell's (who surely posts on DL - c'mon fess up) recommendation:

• Sack Goody and replace him with a bloke that looks like he's seconds from a heart attack 30 time a game as he screams into his hands and is coming off yet another embarrassing Grand Final capitulation. 

 

  On 26/11/2024 at 09:46, picket fence said:

ASSISTANT?? WOULD LOVE HIM TO BE OUR SENIOR COACH!!

 

  On 25/11/2024 at 23:06, Demonstone said:

Horse replaced by Big Cox in a like for like transition.

Yes, but if he fails, will Cox also be hung like Horse?

  On 26/11/2024 at 09:46, picket fence said:

ASSISTANT?? WOULD LOVE HIM TO BE OUR SENIOR COACH!!

Agree 

  On 26/11/2024 at 05:18, VNightCityLegend said:

My thoughts exactly. Good clubs simply just fade from the spotlight and work without fuss.

People who were saying our issues were media beat up driven stories are seriously misguided. 

This is where I hope we would learn, take the lessons and grow as a club. May seem like a small thing, but it does add up. 

Also, on the flip side, I’d argue Longmire is one of the best. Yes, Sydney get a leg up in terms of academy, but let’s not forget the plethora of rookies they also handpicked.

Cunningham pick 49 rookie draft, Jake Lloyd and Rampe were rookie pick ups in 2013, George Hewett, Hayden McLean and Allir Allir were also not rated and were all moulded into very good AFL footballers during the Longmire era. 

Ain’t even including other rookies like Papley, Amartey, Fox and Melican. 

Even rookies asides, Parker, Tom McCartin, Warner, Rowbottom and McInerny were late picks and passed on by other clubs. 

As a coach he has moulded a handful of rookies into outright superstars (Papley, Rampe- super underrated, Allir) or at worst very good players of the competition. Not many coaches would have this particular type of record of consistently delivering on no names and giving them a reputation. 

 

I would credit Kinnear Beatson with those draft decisions.

  On 26/11/2024 at 02:14, Pennant St Dee said:

Took longer then I expected but the Genius that is “Chris from Camberwell” finally called Dwayne to ask why Melbourne wouldn’t consider Longmire

Simon Goodwin’s career highlights

275 Games

Australian Football Hall of Fame inductee 2017

2× AFL premiership player (1997, 1998)

5× All-Australian team (2000, 2001, 2005, 2006, 2009)

Adelaide captain (2008–2010)

Malcolm Blight Medal (2000, 2005, 2006)

Michael Tuck Medal (2006)

AFLCA Champion Player of the Year (2006)

Australia international rules football team (2000, 2001)

Dream Team (Australian rules football) (2008)

Adelaide Team of the Decade 

Showdown Medal (2005, 2007)

 

Coaching

AFL premiership coach (2021)

AFLCA Coach of the year (2021)

All-Australian (2021)

Win / Loss ratio MFC  =  57.51%

Finals Record 2018, 2021, 2022, 2023 W / L = 50.0%

 

Note to CHRIS FROM CAMBERWELL...

This is what winning looks like, Chris! When are you going to realize that Dwayne Russell has you on to serve his own anti MFC bias? 

Edited November 26, 2024Nov 26 by waynewussell

Channel 7 news the other night ... "Shock resignation" ...

FFS ... everyone knew he was gonna resign.

  On 26/11/2024 at 15:02, hardtack said:

Yes, but if he fails, will Cox also be hung like Horse?

Looks like the Horse is struggling to keep pace, but Big Cox always knows how to finish strong.