1 hour ago, 58er said:

 

You could end up spot on and both Derksen and Jefferson will have long and successful careers. All I’m saying is that the odds are against Derksen and I don’t see it in Jefferson. I’d be stoked to be 100% wrong on both of them. Unfortunately for them I’m never wrong, maybe once but that was years ago. 

Edited October 16, 2024Oct 16 by Roost it far

50 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

The concern recently from an assistant coach is whether Jefferson has that fierce competitive desire, and will do whatever it takes to be successful. 
He also shares the same concerns regarding Verrall & Adams.

He said that Kenterfield has that quality in spades and if he doesn’t succeed, it won’t be for lack of fierce effort. 

which assistant coach? A melbourne one? Casey? 

Trade period officially done.

No Derksen. 

23 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

interesting to read that they are going to suspended for the opening rounds

sounds serious

Edited October 16, 2024Oct 16 by Tarax Club

14 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Trade period officially done.

No Derksen. 

Unreal

44 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

This is why Armstrong is a big no no for me. Lacks competitiveness and reminds me too much of Sam Weideman. 

 

So did Harry McKay. So did Aaron Cadman more weeks than not. Meanwhile Weid crashed packs as a junior but never moved like an AFL athlete.
 

Our recruiters have focussed on physical competitiveness too much with young key forwards IMO. I’d prefer a guy who can run, jump, has skills and flair and as long as they’ve got some courage and ability to read the play let them develop their crash and bash once they get the bodies for it.

I have doubts on Jeffo because he seems a fairly plain athlete as well as the lack of grunt. But if he can build his strength, repeat speed and endurance at least he has the skills and smarts to capitalise on it.

4 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

So did Harry McKay. So did Aaron Cadman more weeks than not. Meanwhile Weid crashed packs as a junior but never moved like an AFL athlete.
 

Our recruiters have focussed on physical competitiveness too much with young key forwards IMO. I’d prefer a guy who can run, jump, has skills and flair and as long as they’ve got some courage and ability to read the play let them develop their crash and bash once they get the bodies for it.

I have doubts on Jeffo because he seems a fairly plain athlete as well as the lack of grunt. But if he can build his strength, repeat speed and endurance at least he has the skills and smarts to capitalise on it.

No that's entirely incorrect. McKay was still crashing packs at under 18 level, was doing it each week with Gippsland Power. Cadman is vanilla and will be nothing more then a good ordinary forward.

And who exactly are these competitive forwards that they've brought in? Schache? Jefferson? Fullarton? 

For me, Armstrong lacks intensity and second efforts. I see too much of Jefferson and Weideman in him. Not only that, hes a double grabber. I've watched games this year where whilst he puts himself in good easy position, he either doesn't complete his marks or double grabs.

16 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

No that's entirely incorrect. McKay was still crashing packs at under 18 level, was doing it each week with Gippsland Power. Cadman is vanilla and will be nothing more then a good ordinary forward.

And who exactly are these competitive forwards that they've brought in? Schache? Jefferson? Fullarton? 

For me, Armstrong lacks intensity and second efforts. I see too much of Jefferson and Weideman in him. Not only that, hes a double grabber. I've watched games this year where whilst he puts himself in good easy position, he either doesn't complete his marks or double grabs.

Have to agree to disagree on Harry, but I recall at the time Ben looked the more physical and aggressive player. Harry took some great grabs but was hit or miss at the contest to me. The Weid was well known for crashing packs. Turns out that’s about all he did.

Hogan (had many other strengths), Weid, Liam Hulett!, Kentfield, Tim ‘Bull’ Smith, JVR have been a few of the allegedly physical key forwards we’ve drafted in JT’s time. 

Schache and Fullarton have been desperate throws at the stumps looking for guys with athleticism. Jackson had both but without forward craft.

I think Armstrong has a bigger frame and slightly more athleticism than Jeffo. Plus the left foot. But I agree it’s not all there. If he was the real deal he’d have kicked 4+ a week at Sandy with their quality midfield supply. I’d still be happy to take him with a late first for a team that hadn’t used 2 firsts for young talls recently. 

No big loss 

8 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

No big loss 

Dodged a bullet IMO

Just now, Tarax Club said:

Dodged a bullet IMO

💯 

I do kind of feel sorry for Wade Derksen.

It could of been a very simple trade.

Especially after GWS got Jake Stringer late from Essendon.

Anyway, no big loss. But a little disappointing for Wade and his young family.

1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

Unfortunately for them I’m never wrong, maybe once but that was years ago. 

You forgot to mention that your miss was due to a technicality

4 hours ago, 58er said:

Really you know the fringe players odds ?

And why do you rate Derkson a fringe player. 
Ge has been in the system for 2 and a half years without any opportunity in the AFL at one of the better lists of 2024/25.

He has similar stats to Matty Jefferson probably more versatile and is 2 years on At least. I repeat no senior AFL games yet after a mid year recruit of 2022.

Just like Matty the jury is out on his career until he gets an opportunity. Worth considering given our key position and Ruck options forward  and back and on ball. 

He. Could be a 10 year player and I value players from GWS more than half or 2/3 other Clubs in the AFL if you look at their backgrounds in development and nurturing. Funny how they have a good record in providing more than fringe players. 
Might I remind you of Frosty snd Dom Tyson both very handy players no stars but AFL calibre at two Clubs. Thats pedigree I like to take a chance on and lastly he has 3 kids and a wife plus family support in Melbourne. That may be worth a real throw at the stumps for a young man trying to get places in the AFL system. 
Let’s go hard for him. 

Informative, 58. Worth some consideration - it could be an opportunity.

So Derky Wadescome with 0 games is a huge loss??? PARK ME!

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

No that's entirely incorrect. McKay was still crashing packs at under 18 level, was doing it each week with Gippsland Power. Cadman is vanilla and will be nothing more then a good ordinary forward.

And who exactly are these competitive forwards that they've brought in? Schache? Jefferson? Fullarton? 

For me, Armstrong lacks intensity and second efforts. I see too much of Jefferson and Weideman in him. Not only that, hes a double grabber. I've watched games this year where whilst he puts himself in good easy position, he either doesn't complete his marks or double grabs.

From the footage I've watched he looks a bit like a stat sheet forward and mainly about the marks, kicks, goals. That's not a bad thing if you're very good at it but it's what these types of players do when they are out of a contest that matters. Can they get it to ground? Flick it onto a small forward? Make good second efforts and tackle hard? Or do they check out? It's something that bothers me a bit with Max King. 

If we're going for a KPF I'd love a work rate team oriented one.

 

8 minutes ago, picket fence said:

So Derky Wadescome with 0 games is a huge loss??? PARK ME!

Jefferson has 0 games 

Would him going be no loss for you ? 
 

I’m not that fussed about not getting Wade but the 0 games is a bit tough 

3 hours ago, Adam The God said:

But... but picket said...

That’s a kiss of death within itself 

42 minutes ago, layzie said:

From the footage I've watched he looks a bit like a stat sheet forward and mainly about the marks, kicks, goals. That's not a bad thing if you're very good at it but it's what these types of players do when they are out of a contest that matters. Can they get it to ground? Flick it onto a small forward? Make good second efforts and tackle hard? Or do they check out? It's something that bothers me a bit with Max King. 

If we're going for a KPF I'd love a work rate team oriented one.

 

I wouldn't be judging him solely on a few VFL highlight reels. Of course they're only going to show his marks and goals as a forward in such short videos... Anyway yes at VFL level he has been a consistently hit the scoreboard and competes really well in the air. We have no idea of his running/leading patterns, defensive work rate etc. based on these short clips.

If we're judging from our armchairs I would be giving a game to Derksen over Jefferson easily. Physically imposing, contested marking, more consistent at VFL level and unlike Jefferson performed really well when he was moved back down back for the majority of this season.

Edited October 16, 2024Oct 16 by Young Blood

1 hour ago, Supreme_Demon said:

I do kind of feel sorry for Wade Derksen.

It could of been a very simple trade.

Especially after GWS got Jake Stringer late from Essendon.

Anyway, no big loss. But a little disappointing for Wade and his young family.

Did you watch the interview of BWS' list manager mentioning all the names of players where there internal improvement will come from in 2025?

Rattled off 5-6 players where improvement will come from and no mention of Wade.

Shows how much they think of him.

Just a waste of a potential recruit.

3 hours ago, Adam The God said:

But... but picket said...

And I agree with him.

I think Jeffo can make it despite what an assistant coach said.

He should be ready to go this season.

PS: I can't say much about Adams, but I am a Verrall fan and think he will make it as well.

We can assess at the end of 25.

25 minutes ago, Young Blood said:

I wouldn't be judging him solely on a few VFL highlight reels. Of course they're only going to show his marks and goals as a forward in such short videos... Anyway yes at VFL level he has been a consistently hit the scoreboard and competes really well in the air. We have no idea of his running/leading patterns, defensive work rate etc. based on these short clips.

If we're judging from our armchairs I would be giving a game to Derksen over Jefferson easily. Physically imposing, contested marking, more consistent at VFL level and unlike Jefferson performed really well when he was moved back down back for the majority of this season.

I'm talking about Harry Armstrong and  I've been watching a bit more than just short highlight reels.

54 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

That’s a kiss of death within itself 

You are better than that.

I read somewhere that in a study the top 10% of players from varies global sporting codes where 50-60% likely to have ADHD. They reckon they are just super focused energy bunnies when competitive.

1 minute ago, kurtneverdied said:

I read somewhere that in a study the top 10% of players from varies global sporting codes where 50-60% likely to have ADHD. They reckon they are just super focused energy bunnies when competitive.

Kurt never died? Cobain?